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W12 28 Nov 19 10.00am

Originally posted by Jway89

With all due respect, that is not proof. Those are soundbites along the lines of 'getting brexit done'. He has appointed justices to the supreme court. Tell me a president who doesnt.

Average median income has been rising at about 2% per year since 2011ish. I havent gone too deep into going before, but imagine it was low arounf 2008.
Migration to the US has gone up on 5 charts ive looked at including the govs own charts.

He brought some manufacturing jobs back and done something on Nafta and put through tax cuts, which pretty much every republican president does.

He has done F all with the china trade deal apart from help his wall street buddies get even richer by tweeting if a deal is likely to be made or not sending the dow up or down. He has done an amazing trade deal with the Saudis though. I hear his new hotel there is going to be amazing.

Draining the swamp? I may be wrong here, but is Steve Mnuchin, a former Goldman Sachs banker his head of treasury? Now we may disagree but i would put anyone from GS as being pretty swampy.

Black and Latino support? I cant see that happening. Theres only so much Kanye can do.

Amazingly enough, there has been no news on the wall.

Look we can support whoever we want, but when its blindly done then as a society we have been hoodwinked beyond saving.


Keep in mind these are mainly left wing sources below. Also Trump receives about 95% negative press so these are more likely the "soundbites" you mention that people are falling for. See Tim Pool for more sources as he's left leaning but fully admits Trump "is winning on everything".

Immigration

[Link]

Approval with blacks and Hispanics

[Link]

Economy (even stronger figures I believe since this article)

[Link]


 

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Stirlingsays Flag 28 Nov 19 10.52am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Look at the lies and disaster predictions thrown at Trump.

He's done quite well.....The fact is that the Democrats never accepted him as president.

That is going to have consequences for them down the line when they get in.

And they won't have a leg to stand on to complain about it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2019 10.52am)

 


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Deleted11 28 Nov 19 11.22am

Originally posted by W12


Keep in mind these are mainly left wing sources below. Also Trump receives about 95% negative press so these are more likely the "soundbites" you mention that people are falling for. See Tim Pool for more sources as he's left leaning but fully admits Trump "is winning on everything".

Immigration

[Link]

Approval with blacks and Hispanics

[Link]

Economy (even stronger figures I believe since this article)

[Link]


We may need to carry this on in another forum, but I will try to relate this to our election. So many promises that are made, never become a reality.

I hear the term 'post truth' being said, but this is how politics, at least in my lifetime, has always been. The only truth is that until monopolies are broken, a wealth tax introduced and limiting how political parties are funded and limiting what politicians can do in regards to being shareholders, owners of businesses, then you are basically a turkey voting for xmas, but at least you like the farmer.


And here are my links

Trump's approval by B&H
[Link]


The Economy
I like your BBC link. It clearly shows that he hasn't f'd it up, but he's carried the trend on.
The Dow Jones is not a great indicator of an economy, especially the way it's been pumped up for decades now. He hasn't got anywhere near Obama's highs, but I don't really view Obama's highs as great.

The Wall
[Link]

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 28 Nov 19 11.36am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

The spending plans by parties nowadays just highlight the problems we have within democracy.

It's all totally unrealistic and continually kicking problem cans down the road.....as though they don't exist.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2019 11.36am)

 


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W12 28 Nov 19 11.54am

Originally posted by Jway89

We may need to carry this on in another forum, but I will try to relate this to our election. So many promises that are made, never become a reality.

I hear the term 'post truth' being said, but this is how politics, at least in my lifetime, has always been. The only truth is that until monopolies are broken, a wealth tax introduced and limiting how political parties are funded and limiting what politicians can do in regards to being shareholders, owners of businesses, then you are basically a turkey voting for xmas, but at least you like the farmer.


And here are my links

Trump's approval by B&H
[Link]


The Economy
I like your BBC link. It clearly shows that he hasn't f'd it up, but he's carried the trend on.
The Dow Jones is not a great indicator of an economy, especially the way it's been pumped up for decades now. He hasn't got anywhere near Obama's highs, but I don't really view Obama's highs as great.

The Wall
[Link]

Yes but I've sent you links that are left biased and you have sent me the same (BBC and NBC). Like I said you can find a millions articles on the left spinning everything Trump related in a highly negative way (and flat out lying) but if you dig deep enough he is pretty much winning on all fronts and they are having to start to admit this, even the ones he was supposed to be weak on like foreign policy (look at all the fuss over his withdrawal from Syria which the left have now conveniently forgotten about). The left have very short memories.

I don't agree with your comments on the US economy at all. Look at the wage growth especially and combine that with tax cuts and that's what'e really makes a difference to peoples lives - screw the GDP. Also, the world economy was stalling when he took over and it still is in Europe and many other places.

It also makes a huge difference having a leader that loves his own country and has his first priority as the safety and prosperity of his own people.

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Deleted11 28 Nov 19 12.45pm

Originally posted by W12

Yes but I've sent you links that are left biased and you have sent me the same (BBC and NBC). Like I said you can find a millions articles on the left spinning everything Trump related in a highly negative way (and flat out lying) but if you dig deep enough he is pretty much winning on all fronts, even the ones he was supposed to be weak on like foreign policy (look at all the fuss over his withdrawal from Syria which the left have now conveniently forgotten about). The left have very short memories.

I don't agree with your comments on the US economy at all. Look at the wage growth especially and combine that with tax cuts and that's what'e really makes a difference to peoples lives - screw the GDP. Also, the world economy was stalling when he took over and it still is in Europe and many other places.

It also makes a huge difference having a leader that loves his own country and has his first priority as the safety and prosperity of his own people.

Edited by W12 (28 Nov 2019 12.03pm)

Put up the right wing ones. My goal is to get to the facts, so left and right is irrelevant. That's why I go to the gov's own site to check their own charts out, for example, the Dept of Homeland Security, shows that he hasn't cut immigration at all. They should be the most bias right?

Most Left and Right wingers would agree that this proliferation of wars and drone attacks should be stopped, however, you also have to make the decisions based on the actuality. You have a group of people that have basically been fighting ISIS with/for you and your response is to abandon them and this is the guy/country you think is going to give us a great deal? I also say country, because Obama's rhetoric on putting the UK at the back of the queue was also ludicrous.

Again, with the economy, the tax cuts haven't really had the amazing effect to GDP that was promised. There has been a massive spike to all the indices and they are hitting record highs, but by that logic, Tony Blair/Gordon Brown were amazing leaders too, as the FTSE hit record highs before the crash in 2008.

If you want to invest your money, the 3 main areas are; Stocks and Shares, Bonds and Stores of value (Metals/Crypto). If bonds aren't paying interest and there's debt flying about all over the place for companies like Apple to borrow millions of $ to buy back their stock, which increases the share price. Not sure how that helps the average person.

'He loves his Country"? I don't see how that makes anyone good at anything.

 

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W12 28 Nov 19 1.22pm

Originally posted by Jway89

Put up the right wing ones. My goal is to get to the facts, so left and right is irrelevant. That's why I go to the gov's own site to check their own charts out, for example, the Dept of Homeland Security, shows that he hasn't cut immigration at all. They should be the most bias right?

Most Left and Right wingers would agree that this proliferation of wars and drone attacks should be stopped, however, you also have to make the decisions based on the actuality. You have a group of people that have basically been fighting ISIS with/for you and your response is to abandon them and this is the guy/country you think is going to give us a great deal? I also say country, because Obama's rhetoric on putting the UK at the back of the queue was also ludicrous.

Again, with the economy, the tax cuts haven't really had the amazing effect to GDP that was promised. There has been a massive spike to all the indices and they are hitting record highs, but by that logic, Tony Blair/Gordon Brown were amazing leaders too, as the FTSE hit record highs before the crash in 2008.

If you want to invest your money, the 3 main areas are; Stocks and Shares, Bonds and Stores of value (Metals/Crypto). If bonds aren't paying interest and there's debt flying about all over the place for companies like Apple to borrow millions of $ to buy back their stock, which increases the share price. Not sure how that helps the average person.

'He loves his Country"? I don't see how that makes anyone good at anything.

Difficult to know where to start with that other than you are clearly confused. Unfortunately don't have time to unpack that at the moment.

"Tony Blair/Gordon Brown were amazing leaders too" - Jeezus!

 

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Deleted11 28 Nov 19 2.14pm

Originally posted by W12

Difficult to know where to start with that other than you are clearly confused. Unfortunately don't have time to unpack that at the moment.

"Tony Blair/Gordon Brown were amazing leaders too" - Jeezus!

Exactly. If you are going to put out measurements and conclude that one person is an amazing leader then you are going to have to accept something you may not be comfortable with, which is that old Tony had the same effect as Trump, if anything was better in some areas.

Blair increased wages, GDP and debt, however the latter at a much smaller rate than Trump.
His borrowing rate was one of the best ever in this country's history.
He increased net migration more than anyone else, in terms of numbers. Trump looks like he will do the same.
I also think Blair's approval rating with non whites was amazing too.

This can all be seen on the Office of National Statistics (UK) and the Government's departmental agencies (USA).

The issue with Blair is mainly joining GW Bush in the illegal Iraq war and anyone who thinks Cameron or Boris or any other leader would've done any different is in Cuckoo Land. Also, the net migration levels, which the Tories haven't dropped to pre Blair levels.

Oh, and Tony really loved his Country and it's people. A true Brit.


 

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Originally posted by Jway89

Exactly. If you are going to put out measurements and conclude that one person is an amazing leader then you are going to have to accept something you may not be comfortable with, which is that old Tony had the same effect as Trump, if anything was better in some areas.

Blair increased wages, GDP and debt, however the latter at a much smaller rate than Trump.
His borrowing rate was one of the best ever in this country's history.
He increased net migration more than anyone else, in terms of numbers. Trump looks like he will do the same.
I also think Blair's approval rating with non whites was amazing too.

This can all be seen on the Office of National Statistics (UK) and the Government's departmental agencies (USA).

The issue with Blair is mainly joining GW Bush in the illegal Iraq war and anyone who thinks Cameron or Boris or any other leader would've done any different is in Cuckoo Land. Also, the net migration levels, which the Tories haven't dropped to pre Blair levels.

Oh, and Tony really loved his Country and it's people. A true Brit.


bulls***, the only thing the Bliars love is money, sacks of it.......he is a war criminal and should be treated as such

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 28 Nov 19 5.35pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Shadow Defence Secretary is trying to big up Corbyn as a war leader.

"The point is he is a very thoughtful leader who wants to see the full facts and wants to have the full information in any decision making that he makes, and so he will take a very measured approach and as would all experts in the field."

So when the Russians are marching down Pall Mall Corbyn will still be telling the country how do we know they are Russian and perhaps they are just here on holiday.

My favourite quote of this GE from a fellow Holler
"I wouldn't trust Boris with my wife and I wouldn't trust Corbyn with the country"

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 28 Nov 19 5.41pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

So when the Russians are marching down Pall Mall Corbyn will still be telling the country how do we know they are Russian

They were all singing Kalinka

 

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Deleted11 28 Nov 19 5.47pm

Originally posted by the silurian


bulls***, the only thing the Bliars love is money, sacks of it.......he is a war criminal and should be treated as such

Correct. That was a sarcastic comment in response to Trump loving the US. As he should, he's making money hand over fist out of the love for his Country.

 

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