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 Tim Gypsy Hill '64  Stoke sub normal 28 Dec 21 12.18am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That we seem to have a bunch of "get Brexit done" prats as the current majority in Parliament ought only be a warning to take our responsibilities more seriously in future. It doesn't undermine the basic principles. I think we all may agree that they are "a bunch of .... prats", but how do you manage to shoehorn Brexit into the reply? Does it really eat away at you that much that the majority voted to leave the EU. You really must seek counselling. It's like a nervous tic with you. A bit like Tourette's. It just happens without you really understanding why. See also "Russians", "Trump", "Conspiracy theory", "Far Right/Alt Right"....and many more. You need help.
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| Mapletree Croydon 28 Dec 21 12.47am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
I think we all may agree that they are "a bunch of .... prats", but how do you manage to shoehorn Brexit into the reply? Does it really eat away at you that much that the majority voted to leave the EU. You really must seek counselling. It's like a nervous tic with you. A bit like Tourette's. It just happens without you really understanding why. See also "Russians", "Trump", "Conspiracy theory", "Far Right/Alt Right"....and many more. You need help. I believe the salient points is that Ministers are mostly selected from BoJo’s pals from when the leave vote was achieved.
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cryrst  The garden of England 28 Dec 21 5.16am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I believe the salient points is that Ministers are mostly selected from BoJo’s pals from when the leave vote was achieved. Is that not normal for leaders to do that then? Edited by cryrst (28 Dec 2021 5.17am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Dec 21 9.36am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Oh, right. So it’s our fault. We should have voted for all those other candidates who would have been so much better. Or were at least prepared to accept the same strictures they assured the rest of the country were so essential. We are always ultimately responsible. That the Tories did what they did and selected a bunch of UKIP lookalikes, the Labour Party are currently unelectable and the Liberals too weak to make a difference is no reason. It's an excuse. It's down to us to change it.
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| Stirlingsays 28 Dec 21 10.01am |
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There's a kind of solace that individuals like WE ensure that enough backs are put up that Brexit support will always remain sufficient.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 28 Dec 21 10.01am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We are always ultimately responsible. That the Tories did what they did and selected a bunch of UKIP lookalikes, the Labour Party are currently unelectable and the Liberals too weak to make a difference is no reason. It's an excuse. It's down to us to change it. The system is set up so that the only people encouraged into entering politics are either those who see it as an easy way to carry on their privileged upbringing (the right) and those who would struggle to hold down a job in the real world (the left). Those in the middle do it because they know they will have an easy job and never have to make a difficult decision because they will never be in a position to do so. Those who have the ability to run the country properly are not interested in politics and understandably so. Trying to change it for the better is nigh on impossible when you see the list of clowns lining up to become local MPs.
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| Mapletree Croydon 28 Dec 21 10.10am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Is that not normal for leaders to do that then? Edited by cryrst (28 Dec 2021 5.17am) No Good leaders pick people that will become excellent in their jobs. They also aim for diversity of thinking to mitigate group think. There are plenty of studies that explain why that is a good thing. They don’t shoehorn inappropriate people into jobs just due to their favouritism. And selection should involve taking advice. This would be a dreadful business the way it has been run.
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Teddy Eagle  28 Dec 21 10.14am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We are always ultimately responsible. That the Tories did what they did and selected a bunch of UKIP lookalikes, the Labour Party are currently unelectable and the Liberals too weak to make a difference is no reason. It's an excuse. It's down to us to change it. So their ultimate get out clause is to say “Don’t blame me that I’m not up to it. You shouldn’t have voted for me”.
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| Stirlingsays 28 Dec 21 10.26am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
No Good leaders pick people that will become excellent in their jobs. They also aim for diversity of thinking to mitigate group think. There are plenty of studies that explain why that is a good thing. They don’t shoehorn inappropriate people into jobs just due to their favouritism. And selection should involve taking advice. This would be a dreadful business the way it has been run.
However considering your politics....or at least the politics of those you support in posts on here I struggle to understand how you advance this point.....As the left consider meritocracy as an impedance to other box ticks it's far more eager on. Brexit was decided by referendum and reaffirmed as the country's direction by the last election. It hardly makes sense to have ministers against implementing Brexit in a cabinet....However, that doesn't mean that they should be uncritical. I think the general point is a good one. It's been proven many times in history as a mistake to be surrounded by 'Yes men'. The generals in Vietnam led Johnson and others to believe that they were winning in Vietnam when in truth the rules they fought by meant that was impossible.....the difference between what was relayed to government and what was happening on the ground were significantly divergent. The single biggest recent example being Afghanistan. How anyone still has faith in what comes out from government and media is beyond me: they are liars....not least to themselves. And that is perhaps the hardest lie to deal with. While it's relatively easy to spot lies from others the hardest lies to spot are the ones we tell to ourselves. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Dec 2021 10.30am)
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| Mapletree Croydon 28 Dec 21 10.27am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So their ultimate get out clause is to say “Don’t blame me that I’m not up to it. You shouldn’t have voted for me”. The problem is Ministers. Each MP has limited impact. Then look at the historic effects of Hunt, Patel or Gove.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 28 Dec 21 10.33am |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
The system is set up so that the only people encouraged into entering politics are either those who see it as an easy way to carry on their privileged upbringing (the right) and those who would struggle to hold down a job in the real world (the left). Those in the middle do it because they know they will have an easy job and never have to make a difficult decision because they will never be in a position to do so. Those who have the ability to run the country properly are not interested in politics and understandably so. Trying to change it for the better is nigh on impossible when you see the list of clowns lining up to become local MPs. A very cynical view and one I agree with. On the Brexit point what an MP voted for should no longer be a consideration in ministerial appointments. I think somebody said that Liz Truss was a Remainer? It doesn't matter now politics is about the here and now I have no problem with a Remainer as long as they are prepared to tow the government line. If they still have a problem then they should refuse to serve in the government.
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| Mapletree Croydon 28 Dec 21 10.47am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
A very cynical view and one I agree with. On the Brexit point what an MP voted for should no longer be a consideration in ministerial appointments. I think somebody said that Liz Truss was a Remainer? It doesn't matter now politics is about the here and now I have no problem with a Remainer as long as they are prepared to tow the government line. If they still have a problem then they should refuse to serve in the government. She immediately switched allegiance after the vote. Clearly a conviction politician
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