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 becky  over the moon 27 Dec 21 6.44pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As I have said before I am not in favour of forcing people, as I believe it would be counterproductive. I do believe in a degree of coercion, as a last resort, after every kind of argument, encouragement and social pressure has failed. If people still cannot bring themselves to do what others know is needed then the rest of society needs to act. Not them. Us. We need to exclude them from every aspect of life where they can contact the vaccinated. So you have no need to worry. If my wish comes true then it won't be yourself, and those who share your position, having to do anything at all. It will be the rest of us. You can be a conscientious objector. Just isolated with the others. The idea that this would be undemocratic is totally wrong. If it is the will of the majority, as expressed in Parliament, that it should be so, then it will be so. But that wouldn't necessarily be the 'will of the majority' it would only be the 'will of the majority of MP's' who think they know what's best for us...... to have the 'will of the majority' imposed would need a Referendum of the population......
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 cryrst  The garden of England 27 Dec 21 6.49pm |
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Originally posted by becky
But that wouldn't necessarily be the 'will of the majority' it would only be the 'will of the majority of MP's' who think they know what's best for us...... to have the 'will of the majority' imposed would need a Referendum of the population...... Touche
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Ouzo Dan  Behind you 27 Dec 21 7.09pm |
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Had my first negative rapid flow test today so I am allowed back into the wild tomorrow providing I can produce another negative. Omicron is a Cold. The Governments creepy obsession with control & the media/branch covidians who self fellate over more and more fear I believe are starting to lose their grip. The fact we got quite close to copying what is happening in Europe/Australia etc is something I will keep in mind come the General Election & the Tories will not be getting my vote.
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| cryrst The garden of England 27 Dec 21 7.10pm |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
Had my first negative rapid flow test today so I am allowed back into the wild tomorrow providing I can produce another negative. Omicron is a Cold. The Governments creepy obsession with control & the media/branch covidians who self fellate over more and more fear I believe are starting to lose their grip. The fact we got quite close to copying what is happening in Europe/Australia etc is something I will keep in mind come the General Election & the Tories will not be getting my vote. Careful as labour backed them up. Maybe monster ravers
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| Ouzo Dan Behind you 27 Dec 21 7.23pm |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
After 1098 pages this will be a repeat so excuse me. The wide net that has been used to tar people that die with covid has always stuck in the throat at bit. having a 21 day (I believe they increased it to 60 days for a while) catch all covid diagnosis for a demograph that likely had weeks left anyway is not information we can really rely on.
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| Ouzo Dan Behind you 27 Dec 21 7.26pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Careful as labour backed them up. Maybe monster ravers Labour wanted even stricter measures plus im not middle class/green haired enough to vote labour. Im honestly done with the main political parties.
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| Stirlingsays 27 Dec 21 8.25pm |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
Labour wanted even stricter measures plus im not middle class/green haired enough to vote labour. Im honestly done with the main political parties.
Some will hold their nose and vote and some just can't bring themselves to do it again....we fall into that latter half. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Dec 2021 8.26pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Dec 21 9.00pm |
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Originally posted by becky
But that wouldn't necessarily be the 'will of the majority' it would only be the 'will of the majority of MP's' who think they know what's best for us...... to have the 'will of the majority' imposed would need a Referendum of the population...... In our system we establish the will of the majority at General Elections. It's then the job of our elected representatives to deliver what they believe we need and not what we want on each and every issue. Thank goodness for that. Referendums can produce disasters.
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Teddy Eagle  27 Dec 21 9.28pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
In our system we establish the will of the majority at General Elections. It's then the job of our elected representatives to deliver what they believe we need and not what we want on each and every issue. Thank goodness for that. Referendums can produce disasters. Curious they don’t think we and they “need” the same things. Maskless conferences, drinks parties, assignations with girlfriends, countrywide travel, etc were all fine for them while people were getting fined for sitting in a park.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Dec 21 11.28pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Curious they don’t think we and they “need” the same things. Maskless conferences, drinks parties, assignations with girlfriends, countrywide travel, etc were all fine for them while people were getting fined for sitting in a park. That we seem to have a bunch of "get Brexit done" prats as the current majority in Parliament ought only be a warning to take our responsibilities more seriously in future. It doesn't undermine the basic principles.
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| Teddy Eagle 27 Dec 21 11.51pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That we seem to have a bunch of "get Brexit done" prats as the current majority in Parliament ought only be a warning to take our responsibilities more seriously in future. It doesn't undermine the basic principles. Oh, right. So it’s our fault. We should have voted for all those other candidates who would have been so much better. Or were at least prepared to accept the same strictures they assured the rest of the country were so essential.
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| Mapletree Croydon 28 Dec 21 12.05am |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
No evidence of causation to back this up you are using association from people who have not been in a controlled environment so anything could of been the real cause for these issues. (you are just making things up without any evidence) Most people that have had these problems are due to already having health problems and a lot of people have pre diabetes which the NHS does not take serious so they are not even told it is an issue also anybody who is obese has a metabolic issue this is a big problem. A person with heart or circulation issues will be open to all different issues not just this virus. I have made nothing up I suggest you write to The British Heart Foundation with your complaint And by the way Prediabetes is not a clinical term recognised by the World Health Organisation. But it’s used regularly in the media to describe people who are at high risk of type 2 diabetes and by some healthcare professionals or organisations. Diabetes UK will not refer to people as having prediabetes but instead will talk about their risk of developing type 2 diabetes.
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