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 Stirlingsays  22 Jun 23 8.39pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Yes you could be sitting on a plane unvaccinated with a negative PCR test for covid. But sit next to someone vaccinated who has covid and not required to test spreading it to everyone else on the flight. Yep, a good illustration of just how stupid the whole thing was. Similar to a lot of the mask rules......People literally forced to follow absurd rules thinking it was making some difference. People ringing up schools to complain if teachers weren't following these absurd rules to the letter. Total Karens....but enabled and given defacto power by our very state. The same nation that produced golden generations of the past has been reduced to that. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jun 2023 9.28pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Jun 23 10.36pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
it was never proven that vaccines inhibited carriers from infecting others. What vaccines did potentially do (amongst other good things), they also gave people freedom to travel and mingle - and spread Covid. That’s a myth popular with the anti-vaxxers!. The vaccines reduced symptoms significantly and in so doing reduced the spread. That they also enabled a more normal life to return was what everyone needed to happen. What the trade off was between the positive and negative effects was at each stage is another question but gradually the positives are outweighing the negatives.
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| Stirlingsays 22 Jun 23 10.50pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That’s a myth popular with the anti-vaxxers!. The vaccines reduced symptoms significantly and in so doing reduced the spread. That they also enabled a more normal life to return was what everyone needed to happen. What the trade off was between the positive and negative effects was at each stage is another question but gradually the positives are outweighing the negatives. What is the statistical evidence for that? If I remember correctly the statistics showed transmissions continuing to rise after the jabs were introduced.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Jun 23 10.51pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Non transmission was never proven from these jabs. However, instead of being straight and honest with people the best best spin was put on it, which was then fed down to 'trust' figures to amplify this message. Indeed, people were given the impression that they were safe and not transmitting. Major figures that people trust put out this message. Not only that, but those who chose not to take these vaccinations were told that they were the ones at fault for transmitting the virus and were treated like criminals....sacked from jobs. Some people's lives were destroyed for various reasons. By telling those that chose these jabs that they were safe from transmitting their social engagement went up, not down.....If I remember correctly the statistics show no decline in transmission rates after the jabs and indeed the largest influence was the seasonal weather......as is usually the case with airborne viruses. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jun 2023 8.37pm) As usual you completely misrepresent the situation. Whilst the variants were found to be able to infect the vaccinated they continued to protect against severe disease, Milder symptoms result in lower transmission. So whilst the original messaging needed updating the basic message remained completely valid. Vaccination protects us. Refusing it threatens us. People were told, very correctly in my view, that they were being irresponsible if they refused to be vaccinated without good reason. Criminals? No, it wasn’t unlawful. Selfish, yes. Deserving of social exclusion, definitely. The rate of transmission varied a lot and was the result of a variety of factors. It has no bearing on whether people ought to play their part and get vaccinated. They should and those that refused will forever be seen as pariahs in my opinion.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Jun 23 10.55pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
What is the statistical evidence for that? If I remember correctly the statistics showed transmissions continuing to rise after the jabs were introduced. If true, it’unrelated. You don’t really need statistics to understand that anyone who coughs and sneezes less does not infect as readily as someone who does more. It’s simple common sense.
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Teddy Eagle  22 Jun 23 10.56pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That’s a myth popular with the anti-vaxxers!. The vaccines reduced symptoms significantly and in so doing reduced the spread. That they also enabled a more normal life to return was what everyone needed to happen. What the trade off was between the positive and negative effects was at each stage is another question but gradually the positives are outweighing the negatives. Hard to see any positives for these people.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Jun 23 11.04pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Yes you could be sitting on a plane unvaccinated with a negative PCR test for covid. But sit next to someone vaccinated who has covid and not required to test spreading it to everyone else on the flight. That was not my experience. We had to provide negative tests 24 hours or less before we travelled, or be tested at the airport where random checks were done to weed out cheaters like you. Those that faked their results, as you did, were no doubt responsible for causing many people to get sick. That you are proud of it is a disgrace. Would you be happy if the pilot had faked his licence?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Jun 23 11.05pm |
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Long Covid is a real problem. How much worse would it have been without the vaccines?
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| Teddy Eagle 22 Jun 23 11.08pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Long Covid is a real problem. How much worse would it have been without the vaccines? This isn't about long COVID. It's about the effect of lockdown on mental health.
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| eaglesdare 22 Jun 23 11.47pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That was not my experience. We had to provide negative tests 24 hours or less before we travelled, or be tested at the airport where random checks were done to weed out cheaters like you. Those that faked their results, as you did, were no doubt responsible for causing many people to get sick. That you are proud of it is a disgrace. Would you be happy if the pilot had faked his licence? I really did touch a nerve didint I. At the start I was doing PCR tests and I even Agreed with the initial lockdowns. But after a while I seen through all the BS and lies and did what I had to do and faked my cert. Echos of what the Jews had to do to escape the nazis. I wasn't putting my life on hold or my health at risk. In the end it was a pandemic of the vaccinated.
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| Stirlingsays 23 Jun 23 1.02am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If true, it’unrelated. You don’t really need statistics to understand that anyone who coughs and sneezes less does not infect as readily as someone who does more. It’s simple common sense. Once again, show we the statistical evidence that the original vaccines lowered transmission rates. You may make a claim, but that's all it is....enjoy being a conspiracy theorist all of a sudden? If what you say is true then it would be reflected within the statistics. We know that the original vaccines were not tested in this way. If people feel less ill, they will have mixed more and hence passed the virus to more people than otherwise because they had been told they weren't going to transmit. People will have died vaccinated or not because of this....and many vaccinated people did and are dying. We know that the vaccine lowered initial death rates, however we are far in excess of death rates now and have been for a long time.....in all age groups. You know what can be used to show that and hence prove it? Statistics. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jun 2023 1.04am)
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| Stirlingsays 23 Jun 23 3.52am |
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On all-cause mortality and adjusted for age in each country to take into account underlying factors that affect death rates Sweden has the lowest pandemic mortality in Europe. They followed the GBD and so the claim that we don't know what would have happened without lockdowns is a pretty weak one. In my view our death rate would have been similar to theirs once adjusted for population density and cultural norms of groups. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jun 2023 3.55am)
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