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Nobbybm Dartford 06 Dec 17 9.27am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly It is obviously a stand-by-stand approach for a new stadium, and there are many reasons why only one stand is being rebuilt for the time being: Our uncertainty over staying in The Prem, with the money and fans that brings The Safety Certificate is overdue on the Main Stand, so that is a priority. Remedial works would be costly, so much more cost effective to do a rebuild. If we get Planning Permission for this stand, then it makes it easier to get permission for the other stands, in due course. CPFC did not want to ground-share with anyone whilst the stadium was rebuilt. A stand-by-stand approach would better facilitate this. As Willo said, I'm sure there is a coherent design/strategy for the other stands which will all make sense, in due course. The club have explored options of relocating. Potential Legal challenges to the couple of suitable sites would make this an extremely costly and time-consuming option, with no guarantee of success. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (06 Dec 2017 9.24am) Indeed. IIRC, a while ago SP said in an interview that the plan was to sort the main stand & increase the capacity so that, in theory, they could rehouse those in the Arthur temporarily whilst it was upgraded. Kinda makes sense & if the main stand is done it's an easier discussion to have with planners & residents to say you want it all to blend in to one etc. Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!
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Dartford 06 Dec 17 9.27am

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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

It is obviously a stand-by-stand approach for a new stadium, and there are many reasons why only one stand is being rebuilt for the time being:

Our uncertainty over staying in The Prem, with the money and fans that brings

The Safety Certificate is overdue on the Main Stand, so that is a priority. Remedial works would be costly, so much more cost effective to do a rebuild.

If we get Planning Permission for this stand, then it makes it easier to get permission for the other stands, in due course.

CPFC did not want to ground-share with anyone whilst the stadium was rebuilt. A stand-by-stand approach would better facilitate this.

As Willo said, I'm sure there is a coherent design/strategy for the other stands which will all make sense, in due course.

The club have explored options of relocating. Potential Legal challenges to the couple of suitable sites would make this an extremely costly and time-consuming option, with no guarantee of success.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (06 Dec 2017 9.24am)

Indeed.

IIRC, a while ago SP said in an interview that the plan was to sort the main stand & increase the capacity so that, in theory, they could rehouse those in the Arthur temporarily whilst it was upgraded. Kinda makes sense & if the main stand is done it's an easier discussion to have with planners & residents to say you want it all to blend in to one etc.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Dec 17 9.27am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Nobbybm A new build from the ground up is much easier & cheaper than working with and incorporating an existing structure - especially if you want to retain use of it. The most cost effective option is to build new at a different site but that assumes that land is available & the club wants to relocate - neither apply to us. It is well documented that the club did look at alternative sites but nothing came to fruition. I suppose moving to a new site would have meant that the cost would have been offset by Selhurst Park being sold for development.Think Arsenal got in some £130 Mill for the Highbury development.But I suspect us moving to a brand new location and having a complete stadium built would have cost much more that £100 Mill even after the sale of SP. Edited by Willo (06 Dec 2017 9.28am)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Dec 17 9.27am

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Originally posted by Nobbybm

A new build from the ground up is much easier & cheaper than working with and incorporating an existing structure - especially if you want to retain use of it. The most cost effective option is to build new at a different site but that assumes that land is available & the club wants to relocate - neither apply to us.

It is well documented that the club did look at alternative sites but nothing came to fruition.

I suppose moving to a new site would have meant that the cost would have been offset by Selhurst Park being sold for development.Think Arsenal got in some £130 Mill for the Highbury development.But I suspect us moving to a brand new location and having a complete stadium built would have cost much more that £100 Mill even after the sale of SP.

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Nobbybm Dartford 06 Dec 17 9.36am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Willo It is well documented that the club did look at alternative sites but nothing came to fruition. I suppose moving to a new site would have meant that the cost would have been offset by Selhurst Park being sold for development.Think Arsenal got in some £130 Mill for the Highbury development.But I suspect us moving to a brand new location and having a complete stadium built would have cost much more that £100 Mill even after the sale of SP. Edited by Willo (06 Dec 2017 9.28am) I think you'd be surprised. Everton's 50,000 seater was talked about in the region of £150m with the cost of the land & new roads offset by the sale of Goodison. If we were to fully update SP - including the AW, Whitehorse and Holmesdale (to a degree) - it will cost considerably more. The projected costs at Spurs include all sorts including the additional land, compensation payments, renting Wembley etc - the total cost of their 'project' far outweighs the actual construction costs. Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!
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Originally posted by Willo

It is well documented that the club did look at alternative sites but nothing came to fruition.

Edited by Willo (06 Dec 2017 9.28am)

I think you'd be surprised. Everton's 50,000 seater was talked about in the region of £150m with the cost of the land & new roads offset by the sale of Goodison.

If we were to fully update SP - including the AW, Whitehorse and Holmesdale (to a degree) - it will cost considerably more.

The projected costs at Spurs include all sorts including the additional land, compensation payments, renting Wembley etc - the total cost of their 'project' far outweighs the actual construction costs.

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Lyons550 Shirley 06 Dec 17 9.37am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Willo Originally there was talk of either a brand new stadium located elsewhere or a rejuvenation of 'Selhurst Park' "Stand by stand" so the narrative was that if we remained in situ, all 4 stands would be replaced. Whilst of course the new Main Stand looks rather magnificent and the overall upgrade most welcome and impressive , clearly only one of the 4 stands will see a significant improvement and we will still have the outdated 'Arthur Wait'. That said, projects can change depending on circumstances and finances and it is welcoming to see committment to upgrading the facilities at the ground - it is very much needed ! A great deal of effort has gone into where we are now and I dare say the road ahead will also be littered with obstacles. The Arthur is the biggest technological challenge faced as part of the ground renovation as it it literally 'sits' on the ground, which will mean any replacement will need extensive and exorbitantly expensive ground works simply to get it above ground level....not to mention the possible impact on the houses behind, so there'll likely be a CPO requirement to buy that row of houses as well. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 06 Dec 17 9.37am

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Originally posted by Willo

Originally there was talk of either a brand new stadium located elsewhere or a rejuvenation of 'Selhurst Park' "Stand by stand" so the narrative was that if we remained in situ, all 4 stands would be replaced.

Whilst of course the new Main Stand looks rather magnificent and the overall upgrade most welcome and impressive , clearly only one of the 4 stands will see a significant improvement and we will still have the outdated 'Arthur Wait'.

That said, projects can change depending on circumstances and finances and it is welcoming to see committment to upgrading the facilities at the ground - it is very much needed ! A great deal of effort has gone into where we are now and I dare say the road ahead will also be littered with obstacles.

The Arthur is the biggest technological challenge faced as part of the ground renovation as it it literally 'sits' on the ground, which will mean any replacement will need extensive and exorbitantly expensive ground works simply to get it above ground level....not to mention the possible impact on the houses behind, so there'll likely be a CPO requirement to buy that row of houses as well.

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Lyons550 Shirley 06 Dec 17 9.43am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Willo I think the darned Amex was built for some £95 Mill but it was completed in 2011. It was reported that the Emirates cost in the region of £390 Mill and it was completed in 2006. Also reported that the cost of Tottenham's new ground could reach £800 Mill. The thing is, it was built on baron land, with easy access and tbh it is pretty much a soulless place...a lot of 'wavy' style but no substance...even inside its a hotchpotch of differing types of stands with odd levels. Nice enough but not the architectural mecca some seem to think it to be....in short it looks like it only cost £95m The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Originally posted by Willo

I think the darned Amex was built for some £95 Mill but it was completed in 2011.
It was reported that the Emirates cost in the region of £390 Mill and it was completed in 2006.
Also reported that the cost of Tottenham's new ground could reach £800 Mill.

The thing is, it was built on baron land, with easy access and tbh it is pretty much a soulless place...a lot of 'wavy' style but no substance...even inside its a hotchpotch of differing types of stands with odd levels. Nice enough but not the architectural mecca some seem to think it to be....in short it looks like it only cost £95m

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Kermit8 Hevon 06 Dec 17 9.46am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Uprooting scores of families from their homes with a CPO just so we can have a shiny new AW stand? Doesn't seem right at all. Keep the AW as it is size wise but refurbish and re-build section by section. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Uprooting scores of families from their homes with a CPO just so we can have a shiny new AW stand? Doesn't seem right at all. Keep the AW as it is size wise but refurbish and re-build section by section.

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Painter Croydon 06 Dec 17 9.52am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Kermit8 Uprooting scores of families from their homes with a CPO just so we can have a shiny new AW stand? Doesn't seem right at all. Keep the AW as it is size wise but refurbish and re-build section by section. There is no way a CPO will be passed for a football stadium now in a built up area. The solution to the Sainsburys issue with their land required for the main stand is simple..Just call it the Sainsburys Stadium or the Sainsburys stand. They will endless PR and Palace get the stand they want.
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Croydon 06 Dec 17 9.52am

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Originally posted by Kermit8

There is no way a CPO will be passed for a football stadium now in a built up area.
The solution to the Sainsburys issue with their land required for the main stand is simple..Just call it the Sainsburys Stadium or the Sainsburys stand. They will endless PR and Palace get the stand they want.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Dec 17 9.52am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Lyons550 The thing is, it was built on baron land, with easy access and tbh it is pretty much a soulless place...a lot of 'wavy' style but no substance...even inside its a hotchpotch of differing types of stands with odd levels. Nice enough but not the architectural mecca some seem to think it to be....in short it looks like it only cost £95m The AMEX was designed by KSS the same people who have designed the reburbished SP ! And our new stand looks remarkably like one of the stands at the Amex ! From pitchside anyway, don't know about the rest. Edited by Willo (06 Dec 2017 9.59am)
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Originally posted by Lyons550

The AMEX was designed by KSS the same people who have designed the reburbished SP !

And our new stand looks remarkably like one of the stands at the Amex ! From pitchside anyway, don't know about the rest.

Edited by Willo (06 Dec 2017 9.59am)

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MonsterMunch Cambridge 06 Dec 17 10.02am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Kermit8 Uprooting scores of families from their homes with a CPO just so we can have a shiny new AW stand? Doesn't seem right at all. Keep the AW as it is size wise but refurbish and re-build section by section. I do not confess to know the details but I would hope they are fully compensated not just market value + gift card for the club shop. I do get it but what alternative do Palace have though. For the good of the many not the few type thing. Edited by MonsterMunch (06 Dec 2017 10.03am)
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Cambridge 06 Dec 17 10.02am

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Originally posted by Kermit8

I do not confess to know the details but I would hope they are fully compensated not just market value + gift card for the club shop. I do get it but what alternative do Palace have though. For the good of the many not the few type thing.

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Lyons550 Shirley 06 Dec 17 10.34am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Kermit8 Uprooting scores of families from their homes with a CPO just so we can have a shiny new AW stand? Doesn't seem right at all. Keep the AW as it is size wise but refurbish and re-build section by section. Thats clearly the discussion that the club, council and other interested parties will need to have....but is years off...I cant see that happening within the next decade at least! The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 06 Dec 17 10.34am

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Originally posted by Kermit8

Thats clearly the discussion that the club, council and other interested parties will need to have....but is years off...I cant see that happening within the next decade at least!

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Lyons550 Shirley 06 Dec 17 10.35am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Willo The AMEX was designed by KSS the same people who have designed the reburbished SP ! And our new stand looks remarkably like one of the stands at the Amex ! From pitchside anyway, don't know about the rest. Edited by Willo (06 Dec 2017 9.59am) I know all that; so what? The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 06 Dec 17 10.35am

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Originally posted by Willo

The AMEX was designed by KSS the same people who have designed the reburbished SP !

And our new stand looks remarkably like one of the stands at the Amex ! From pitchside anyway, don't know about the rest.

Edited by Willo (06 Dec 2017 9.59am)

I know all that; so what?

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Lyons550 Shirley 06 Dec 17 10.36am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Painter There is no way a CPO will be passed for a football stadium now in a built up area. The solution to the Sainsburys issue with their land required for the main stand is simple..Just call it the Sainsburys Stadium or the Sainsburys stand. They will endless PR and Palace get the stand they want. It happened for Arsenal and Spurs...and lets not forget that the council have already said they'd support CPO's if needed. Edited by Lyons550 (06 Dec 2017 10.36am) The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Originally posted by Painter

It happened for Arsenal and Spurs...and lets not forget that the council have already said they'd support CPO's if needed.

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