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reborn 05 Apr 05 1.54pm Send a Private Message to reborn Add reborn as a friend

I'd be interested to hear about your experiences..can you give any examples?

Quote Bexter at 05 Apr 2005 1:48pm

guess it's hard to prove who has a harder time reborn..... my experience says being black seems to more of an obstacle to getting a job.... but i could be wrong.

Edited by Bexter (05 Apr 2005 1:48pm)


 


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Quote reborn at 05 Apr 2005 1:47pm

hmmmm maybe so but a desire to look inwards for your problems and faults rather than project onto others would not go amiss amongst some sections of Londons immigrant population.

I think to suggest that lack of achievement and social disillusion are solely the result of either internal problems or external problems isn't enough.

There is a cultural problem amongst black youths, especially boys, where there appears to be a prevalent belief that success in academia or career is 'uncool'. This is obviously a major contributory factor to social problems.

But there is also a problem with the colour of their skin and perception thereof.

Looking around my office in the City, I can normally see a decent representation of the Asian and East Asian communities. But the representation for the black community, which in London is a very significant minority, is tiny.

 


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reborn 05 Apr 05 2.07pm Send a Private Message to reborn Add reborn as a friend

and why is that?

Not enough young black men happy to put in the hard work and application necessary....?

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Quote reborn at 05 Apr 2005 1:47pm

hmmmm maybe so but a desire to look inwards for your problems and faults rather than project onto others would not go amiss amongst some sections of Londons immigrant population.

I think to suggest that lack of achievement and social disillusion are solely the result of either internal problems or external problems isn't enough.

There is a cultural problem amongst black youths, especially boys, where there appears to be a prevalent belief that success in academia or career is 'uncool'. This is obviously a major contributory factor to social problems.

But there is also a problem with the colour of their skin and perception thereof.

Looking around my office in the City, I can normally see a decent representation of the Asian and East Asian communities. But the representation for the black community, which in London is a very significant minority, is tiny.


 


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madcap Flag #winning 05 Apr 05 2.34pm

Quote reborn at 05 Apr 2005 1:17pm

Madcap, with all due respect I have been to Kingston and was appalled by a number of things, amongst them

1 The agressive following and downright attempted intimidation on every corner for having white skin

2 Drug addicts lying in the street in the main business district

3 The living conditions of most of the people

4 Locals warning me not to go out in the evening and not to get on buses at all costs

5 The rudeness, lethargy and yes downright racism of near evryone I came into contact with because of my white skin

Now I know you wont receive this post well, and who could expect you to , but my own impressions of jamaicans and jamaica both in Kingston and here, have (excepting yourself) done nothing other than appall me.

The gun culture is all pervasive, evrything revolves around Respect and macho bulls*** posturing and as a whole, Jamaicans in this country have a much higher incidence of crime, unemployment, violence, absentee fathers...I could go on.

Im sorry for the offence this will cause but it is what I think.

Firsty, no offence caused. I cant deny that such things exist, because they do, in the ghettos. I'm lucky enought to come from a family that have done well for themselves and live in a nicer part of Kingston.

Apologies for taking this post on a slightly different tangent but...

1) Black immigrants have been put in a position where they will suffer in crime etc by all being put in one place when they arrived in this country. I believe asian people arrived in this country later on while being able to pursue careers with the skills and qualifications they have.
-However, its obviously possible to escape crime etc and earn a decent living. Like my parents have, from leaving said black areas and working hard for your living.

2) The gun culture is disgusting in Jamaica, but again, this stems from the ghettos. My cousin will only travel to some parts of kingston if he he is carrying his gun with him, which may I add he has fired in the air for protection.

3) Jamaica is a 3rd world country. One that has to fend for itself through its exports. However, because of the weak state of the Jamaican dollar &the economy, other countries take the piss with its balance of trade.

4) The examples of racism you mentioned are disgusting and obviously I've never experienced in Jamaica but not completely different to some of the treatment ive received in this country (which is part of the reason why I wouldn't go to war). Outside Kingston, Jamaicans are extremely friendly to all races and live by the slogan "One Love". The only explanation to the shocking behaviour and treatment you received is that they looked to your skin colour as a symbol of higher status and wealth, something that many in kingston don't have, and they resent that. Believe me, I was told many times that if I was out at night unaccompanied, not to say much because of my accent and perhaps adopt a Jamaican one.

5) Most Jamaican immigrants you see these days, come over to this country to escape from the negativities of Jamaica, however, the difficulties in getting here mean that they are likely to be deported if they try to integrate (i.e conform to normal jobs etc), so crime or menial low paid jobs are all they can do, which is sad, because it's just ends up being a viscious circle.

PHEW! Im tired...

 


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reborn 05 Apr 05 2.39pm Send a Private Message to reborn Add reborn as a friend

well Madcap you are a credit to Jamaica, Jamaicans and England....I mean that sincerely.

 


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Quote beestey at 05 Apr 2005 12:54am

In my life, I have been to (among other places): Lagos, Warsaw, Prague, Brno, Zagreb, Belgrade, Split, Istanbul, and Kiev.

Everyone in those places has welcomed me, asked for my address and details in the UK, and begged me to write them letters of invitation and sponsorship for their own attempt to get into the UK.

I have been offered £8000 cash by a Cypriot Greek restaurateur in Fulham to marry among others - a Peruvian woman, a Serbian woman and a Colombian woman.

In Ankara I was semi-offered (by would-be muggers) £500 for my UK Passport, if I didn't resist. I did resist by the way, and told them I'd have them executed by the Turkish Military Authorities under General Evren if they so much as looked at me from that moment on.

In London, where I am from and where I continue to live, there are almost equal numbers of peoples from other countries+immigrants as there are UK citizens.

In the London Borough in which I live, by the calculation of the local Primary Care Trust for our Borough, there will be more under-18's from west Africa than anywhere else in the UK and more than any 'white British' kids at 51%, by next year.

In the Borough where I grew up as a kid, Croydon, in the area of Addiscombe, it more resembles downtown Kingston Jamaica in Dealercracktown, than the lovely place I grew up in.

In my Borough, we have the highest records of TB and HIV/Aids anywhere in the UK, and this enormous statistical rise has taken place in the last 5 years - why?

In this Borough an application aged 18 for any form of Council housing, unless backed by asylum/refugee status, has a waiting time of 12 years - that's right, 12 years.

If you have a child, you can reduce that to 5 years.

Unless you are willing to go B&B/hostel.

Now my Borough has no room for local pensioners in care homes - they are either turned over as rest shelters for asylum seekers (99.999% absolute wanquer scrounger turds), or stuffed full of old crocks from Kosovo and west Africa, just off the plane at Heathrow for their free NHS ops.

What do you think is the acceptable rate of occupancy of a modest one-bedroom flat in my Borough?

That's one bedroom, one sitting room, one bathroom/bog and a front door.

Hell, what do you think it feckin is, all you cretinous liberal pansie cnuts?

Well, in my Borough, it is now two adults and a maximum of 4 children under 10.

No wonder the kids are causing havoc on the streets.

You stupid pieces of dumb-arse shyte who think it's somehow great to allow unlimited numbers of foreign scroungers into this country - I want to bestow the reality on you and send the whole feckin lot of them to you, in your stupid, brain-dead, piss-poor neighbourhood.

I hope you do all get mugged, raped and buggered in Bromley soon, and then you might finally realise exactly what it is your lamentable spastic attitudes have wrought for us as a country.


Post of the year? f*** me, if this gets post of the year I may go elsewhere.

First up, I'm very tempted to report this to the mods for using abusive language - particularly 'spastic', 'stupid pieces of dumb arse shyte' and the quoted desire that we get mugged and so on.

Now then, to the issue - How do you propose to identify these 'people from other countries'? Nobody goes round with flashing neon signs telling you where they might be from. This appears to be a prime example of misguided racial definition, because people may seem to you to look different doesn't mean anything. Your reliance on visual demonstrations of identity is preposterous and basically racist.

As for the numbers, just because there may be crowding in your borough doesn't mean that there isn't the space elsewhere - and the fact is that we have an aging population and a skills shortage.

How do you intend to solve these? When you're 73, and your kids (if ou have any) will be working long hours and paying lots of tax to keep you alive, will you feel so smug?

Post of the year, my arse.

 


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still gets my vote......

 


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Quote tome at 05 Apr 2005 2:49pm

Quote beestey at 05 Apr 2005 12:54am
In my life, I have been to (among other places): Lagos, Warsaw, Prague, Brno, Zagreb, Belgrade, Split, Istanbul, and Kiev.

Everyone in those places has welcomed me, asked for my address and details in the UK, and begged me to write them letters of invitation and sponsorship for their own attempt to get into the UK.

I have been offered £8000 cash by a Cypriot Greek restaurateur in Fulham to marry among others - a Peruvian woman, a Serbian woman and a Colombian woman.

In Ankara I was semi-offered (by would-be muggers) £500 for my UK Passport, if I didn't resist. I did resist by the way, and told them I'd have them executed by the Turkish Military Authorities under General Evren if they so much as looked at me from that moment on.

In London, where I am from and where I continue to live, there are almost equal numbers of peoples from other countries+immigrants as there are UK citizens.

In the London Borough in which I live, by the calculation of the local Primary Care Trust for our Borough, there will be more under-18's from west Africa than anywhere else in the UK and more than any 'white British' kids at 51%, by next year.

In the Borough where I grew up as a kid, Croydon, in the area of Addiscombe, it more resembles downtown Kingston Jamaica in Dealercracktown, than the lovely place I grew up in.

In my Borough, we have the highest records of TB and HIV/Aids anywhere in the UK, and this enormous statistical rise has taken place in the last 5 years - why?

In this Borough an application aged 18 for any form of Council housing, unless backed by asylum/refugee status, has a waiting time of 12 years - that's right, 12 years.

If you have a child, you can reduce that to 5 years.

Unless you are willing to go B&B/hostel.

Now my Borough has no room for local pensioners in care homes - they are either turned over as rest shelters for asylum seekers (99.999% absolute wanquer scrounger turds), or stuffed full of old crocks from Kosovo and west Africa, just off the plane at Heathrow for their free NHS ops.

What do you think is the acceptable rate of occupancy of a modest one-bedroom flat in my Borough?

That's one bedroom, one sitting room, one bathroom/bog and a front door.

Hell, what do you think it feckin is, all you cretinous liberal pansie cnuts?

Well, in my Borough, it is now two adults and a maximum of 4 children under 10.

No wonder the kids are causing havoc on the streets.

You stupid pieces of dumb-arse shyte who think it's somehow great to allow unlimited numbers of foreign scroungers into this country - I want to bestow the reality on you and send the whole feckin lot of them to you, in your stupid, brain-dead, piss-poor neighbourhood.

I hope you do all get mugged, raped and buggered in Bromley soon, and then you might finally realise exactly what it is your lamentable spastic attitudes have wrought for us as a country.


Post of the year? f*** me, if this gets post of the year I may go elsewhere.

First up, I'm very tempted to report this to the mods for using abusive language - particularly 'spastic', 'stupid pieces of dumb arse shyte' and the quoted desire that we get mugged and so on.

Now then, to the issue - How do you propose to identify these 'people from other countries'? Nobody goes round with flashing neon signs telling you where they might be from. This appears to be a prime example of misguided racial definition, because people may seem to you to look different doesn't mean anything. Your reliance on visual demonstrations of identity is preposterous and basically racist.

As for the numbers, just because there may be crowding in your borough doesn't mean that there isn't the space elsewhere - and the fact is that we have an aging population and a skills shortage.

How do you intend to solve these? When you're 73, and your kids (if ou have any) will be working long hours and paying lots of tax to keep you alive, will you feel so smug?

Post of the year, my arse.

Tome mate, I'm with you.
I'd much rather have kind, peaceful immigrants in this country than people filled with prejudice and hatred like beestey seems to be.

Edited by rach_d_cpfc (05 Apr 2005 2:57pm)

 


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Quote reborn at 05 Apr 2005 2:52pm

still gets my vote......


Hah. So you think people who disgree with that post are 'dumb arse shytes' and 'spastics' and you hope they get mugged, eh reborn?

 


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reborn 05 Apr 05 3.02pm Send a Private Message to reborn Add reborn as a friend

didnt say I agreed with it all, juts said it was a top post...

oh, and I doubt if he is refering to peaceful law abiding immigrants...

 


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tome Flag Inner Tantalus Time. 05 Apr 05 3.09pm Send a Private Message to tome Add tome as a friend

Yeah, but most of the crime in this country is committed by white youths between the age of 16 and 21. And that's even with regard to proportion of identification.

 


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reborn 05 Apr 05 3.10pm Send a Private Message to reborn Add reborn as a friend

not the crimes that people see, the ones that impact most on their lives and in particular in London.

Quote tome at 05 Apr 2005 3:09pm

Yeah, but most of the crime in this country is committed by white youths between the age of 16 and 21. And that's even with regard to proportion of identification.


 


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