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Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 06 Jan 24 7.33pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

We are bereft of foresight, planning in the modern game , and managing our squad through injuries. We seem to be in a crisis the whole time. I just hope our latest casualty is back soon. But as Lanzo says it’s probably 50/50. eg we haven’t got a clue or even if we have it is not being shared with the fans.

But aren't all teams struggling with injuries ?

I think the standing around during VAR, elongating of games with all this stupid extra time and most of all the intensity and speed are the root cause. Five subs gives the rich boys the opportunity to abuse it further.

Unfortunately we're overly reliant on two players in our starting eleven before even thinking about the bench.

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 06 Jan 24 11.40pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

What if he dosent play again this season, which i would say is 50/50, shrewd businessman buy and sell at the right time

I haven’t read any reports suggesting that Olise won’t play again this season.

And with respect, unless you are a sports injury expert and therefore have a qualified opinion, it’s pure guesswork on your part.

If he does have an injury that will rule him out until next season then a shrewd businessman wouldn’t part with any cash this month.

 


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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 06 Jan 24 11.52pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

We are bereft of foresight, planning in the modern game , and managing our squad through injuries. We seem to be in a crisis the whole time. I just hope our latest casualty is back soon. But as Lanzo says it’s probably 50/50. eg we haven’t got a clue or even if we have it is not being shared with the fans.

Another topic that’s been widely debated.

A number of clubs have had numerous injuries to key players. Where they differ from us is that they had better squads in terms of both quality and quantity. While I think the club could have done better in preparing for this season, we aren’t in a position to spend a small fortune on squad players.

Why is it “ 50/50 “ re Olise ? Just because of one persons speculation ? - good grief. I’ve read that the injury is likely to keep him out until February .

 


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DANGERCLOSE Flag London 07 Jan 24 12.12am Send a Private Message to DANGERCLOSE Add DANGERCLOSE as a friend

Hearing that there is a 60 million release clause and that Manure are interested with AWB coming to us as part of the deal?

 

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dreamwaverider Flag London 07 Jan 24 5.58am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Seeing as how this article is headed 'We need to talk about Michael", I see now he is being linked with both Man U and Liverpool for a move in the summer.
Based on that, if I were him I would make sure and get full recovery from this current injury and making sure that the relevant hamstring is completely healed before being pushed back out. I would then work with being paced through my rehab in length of appearance in live matches.
This way it will give full recovery and a steady return to full muscular performance the best chance for an undamaged future.
The boy is still young and once he hits the top club, he will be managed properly.
Look at Harvey Elliott. That is how to manage rehab of serious injury, and Liverpool can afford to do it. His complete recovery which is still being managed won them the game at Selhurst.
I believe Michael has got the talents and necessary physique to go a long way towards the very top in the game. But it is crucial for him that he is not rushed back as would appear to be the current situation.
None of this will suit us in getting the most of Olise before he moves on, which is pretty much certain from the sounds of things. It will however help his career moving forwards.

Edited by dreamwaverider (07 Jan 2024 6.02am)

 

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viveasheagle Flag perth 07 Jan 24 6.33am Send a Private Message to viveasheagle Add viveasheagle as a friend

If we were to sell Olise and possibly lose Ayew ( there are always some players who get injured while on AFCON duty ) then we don't really have any wide players of any quality.
The big money offer is always tempting but i think teams who have cashed in in these scenario's and done well have brought in the replacements before selling. My view on Olise is he is still improving and if we need to cash in we should do so in the summer and look to get in players like Soule before we sell.
Reading between the lines Olise injury sounded like a minor hamstring one which is generally around 3 weeks. His previous one the muscle came off the bone hence why he was out for so long.
I think cashing in on him now and we could be going down. Would we have beaten Brentford without Olise ? Given Brentfords injury crisis and form before the game there will not be many easier games we will face this year hence my concern.

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Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 07 Jan 24 8.17am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

I haven’t read any reports suggesting that Olise won’t play again this season.

And with respect, unless you are a sports injury expert and therefore have a qualified opinion, it’s pure guesswork on your part.

If he does have an injury that will rule him out until next season then a shrewd businessman wouldn’t part with any cash this month.

What if you had been told by the sports injury expert, thar Olise has a problem that could occur regularly, and because the release clause, dosent start until July 1st, and Man U bid 70m, accept or not, if Olise is happy?

 


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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 07 Jan 24 8.18am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Seeing as how this article is headed 'We need to talk about Michael", I see now he is being linked with both Man U and Liverpool for a move in the summer.
Based on that, if I were him I would make sure and get full recovery from this current injury and making sure that the relevant hamstring is completely healed before being pushed back out. I would then work with being paced through my rehab in length of appearance in live matches.
This way it will give full recovery and a steady return to full muscular performance the best chance for an undamaged future.
The boy is still young and once he hits the top club, he will be managed properly.
Look at Harvey Elliott. That is how to manage rehab of serious injury, and Liverpool can afford to do it. His complete recovery which is still being managed won them the game at Selhurst.
I believe Michael has got the talents and necessary physique to go a long way towards the very top in the game. But it is crucial for him that he is not rushed back as would appear to be the current situation.
None of this will suit us in getting the most of Olise before he moves on, which is pretty much certain from the sounds of things. It will however help his career moving forwards.

Edited by dreamwaverider (07 Jan 2024 6.02am)

Your comparison between Harvey Elliott and Olise is ridiculous. Elliott has never been and probably never will be as key a player for Liverpool as Olise currently is for Palace.

Liverpool have the luxury of being able to afford him time as he’s not a nailed on starter for them anyway. The pressure on Palace to get Olise back on the playing field as soon as possible exists of course it does. But we have already seen that the medical team at Palace exercise caution when appropriate. I think it suits you to have another dig at the club, of which I detect an undercurrent in you post.

In terms of his career, he is responsible for that, not Palace. He’s being very handsomely paid to play now for the club not wrapped in cotton wool for the benefit of his future employers.

 


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Croydon-Trucker Flag 07 Jan 24 8.32am Send a Private Message to Croydon-Trucker Add Croydon-Trucker as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

What if you had been told by the sports injury expert, thar Olise has a problem that could occur regularly, and because the release clause, dosent start until July 1st, and Man U bid 70m, accept or not, if Olise is happy?

I would take the deal. So long as the money is reinvested in the squad ( which i have my doubts it would be )

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 07 Jan 24 8.34am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

What if you had been told by the sports injury expert, thar Olise has a problem that could occur regularly, and because the release clause, dosent start until July 1st, and Man U bid 70m, accept or not, if Olise is happy?

I don’t see the point in that speculation. In any case, clubs don’t spend £60m or whatever the fee without doing their due diligence from a medical perspective. If Olise is susceptible to hamstring injuries I would expect that to be identified.

I also don’t think that a release clause is time driven. If at any time in a transfer window that clause is activated then a transfer is possible.

The problem with the media driven world in which we live is that there has to be content. And much of that content is space filling rubbish which can lead to groundless rumour and speculation.

Here’s an example - the ‘ We Are Palace ‘ site linked Palace with a move for Jayden Sancho should Steve Cooper get the job. All because they had worked together when Cooper worked for the England set up.

Back to Olise. If we had 30 points and were comfortably looking at a top ten finish, then it would make sense to at least consider selling him. But we look set for a bumpy ride towards ( hopefully ) safety. So I would keep him.

 


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dreamwaverider Flag London 07 Jan 24 10.18am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

Your comparison between Harvey Elliott and Olise is ridiculous. Elliott has never been and probably never will be as key a player for Liverpool as Olise currently is for Palace.

Liverpool have the luxury of being able to afford him time as he’s not a nailed on starter for them anyway. The pressure on Palace to get Olise back on the playing field as soon as possible exists of course it does. But we have already seen that the medical team at Palace exercise caution when appropriate. I think it suits you to have another dig at the club, of which I detect an undercurrent in you post.

In terms of his career, he is responsible for that, not Palace. He’s being very handsomely paid to play now for the club not wrapped in cotton wool for the benefit of his future employers.


Seems to me anytime I post anything that is less than smelling of roses about the Palace, the club I have supported for over 50 years, someone jumps on it like I am anti my club.
I thought the idea of this board was to share thoughts and opinions about OUR club. If knocking them for something one does not agree with is wrong, then please let me know and I will refrain from giving any more negative thoughts.

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 07 Jan 24 10.43am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider


Seems to me anytime I post anything that is less than smelling of roses about the Palace, the club I have supported for over 50 years, someone jumps on it like I am anti my club.
I thought the idea of this board was to share thoughts and opinions about OUR club. If knocking them for something one does not agree with is wrong, then please let me know and I will refrain from giving any more negative thoughts.

Of course we are all entitled to our opinions and this board is a place to share and discuss.

What I find frustrating is that currently the club can’t be seen to be doing right for doing wrong. So your comment about Olise appearing to be pushed back into action prematurely suggests you are more willing to accept that the club is in the wrong than give the benefit of the doubt that, well, s*** happens.

I’ve supported Palace for over 50 years, and comparatively, this is as good as it gets !

I have also been highly critical of the club and the current situation. I realise that whether our level of frustration is justified or not, it is real and can’t be ignored. And I’m as guilty as anyone else, maybe even more so, when expressing my frustrations.

I apologise if I have offended you and I hope that you continue to add your contributions to the issues that mean so much to us all.

 


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