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georgenorman 26 Nov 23 10.59am
Civil disorder similar to what took place in Dublin will become more and more commonplace. It has been predictable for many years - Powell even highlighted it in the 1960s. The future is pretty grim folks.
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26 Nov 23 10.59am

Civil disorder similar to what took place in Dublin will become more and more commonplace. It has been predictable for many years - Powell even highlighted it in the 1960s. The future is pretty grim folks.

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Stirlingsays 26 Nov 23 11.10am
Originally posted by Matov To a certain point then yes, and I cannot come up with anything to say this is wrong but for me where this Rwanda debacle matters is that it shows literally how much contempt the ruling classes in the UK have for us. When those boats land (or are landed) on the South Coast then a crime is being committed. Every adult on them should be immediately detained and then held on remand until such time as they can be deported. No ifs or buts around that. And yet they are not. So we get this Rwanda plan. Proposed by a Tory Government with a huge majority. And we are told, that it is not allowed to happen because judges, who have never faced a vote in their life, tell them they cannot do it which is utter nonsense. The Tories can vote through anything they want. Instead they hide. The UK system as it stands, and that includes all monarchy, the armed forces, the justice system and every other aspect of it, values those illegal immigrants over those of us born here. You and me are worthless to them. Which is fine. I am at peace with that. Makes a lot of decision making a whole lot easier. Rwanda PROVES my point. It is the metaphorical Rubicon that people have to make a decision about crossing. British nationality is nothing more now than a comfort blanket that will eventually smother you. I get why people choose to hide away underneath it. I get why people choose to keep it wrapped around themselves. Because it is bloody cold without it. But ultimately, it will kill you. And your family. Not an easy choice to make but for me Rwanda is where the entire perception of what I always thought it meant to be 'British' just falls away. The British State wants people to illegally land on our coastlines. And will punish you for resisting that. A statement of fact. As you say it's the ruling classes and their culture. They are essentially the same as our Cornwall friend. I can sense your frustration but what you need to come to terms with is that the Hol conservative community isn't reflective of our ruling institutions or the majority of our indoctrinated low testosterone youth. Roadblocks are in force via the legal system. Something the British stick to like it's a religion even against their national interest. But the Tories have always known this and that's exactly the game they play. The legal system is a middle and higher class capture of people all living in nice areas with ivory tower opinions because they have never had sh1t shovelled through their letterbox....as happened to us living in Brixton. I know what's eventually coming and for the middle classes that remain who will be at the receiving of a ideological comeuppance that will be nothing short of a righting of the scales. They will deserve every last ounce. Regardless my current view is due to the essential trusting nature of the golden and boomer generation all the necessary changes happened in Britain around fifty years ago and all we have seen is its advancement and progression ever since. The worsening social metrics are ignored and given facetious coverage. All that matters to this kind of generation is their time. Our nation died for 'line go up'.....but they couldn't even manage that in the end. Damn them to hell. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2023 11.22am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Nov 23 11.10am

Originally posted by Matov

To a certain point then yes, and I cannot come up with anything to say this is wrong but for me where this Rwanda debacle matters is that it shows literally how much contempt the ruling classes in the UK have for us.

When those boats land (or are landed) on the South Coast then a crime is being committed. Every adult on them should be immediately detained and then held on remand until such time as they can be deported. No ifs or buts around that.

And yet they are not.

So we get this Rwanda plan. Proposed by a Tory Government with a huge majority. And we are told, that it is not allowed to happen because judges, who have never faced a vote in their life, tell them they cannot do it which is utter nonsense. The Tories can vote through anything they want. Instead they hide.

The UK system as it stands, and that includes all monarchy, the armed forces, the justice system and every other aspect of it, values those illegal immigrants over those of us born here.

You and me are worthless to them.

Which is fine. I am at peace with that. Makes a lot of decision making a whole lot easier.

Rwanda PROVES my point. It is the metaphorical Rubicon that people have to make a decision about crossing. British nationality is nothing more now than a comfort blanket that will eventually smother you.

I get why people choose to hide away underneath it. I get why people choose to keep it wrapped around themselves. Because it is bloody cold without it. But ultimately, it will kill you. And your family.

Not an easy choice to make but for me Rwanda is where the entire perception of what I always thought it meant to be 'British' just falls away.

The British State wants people to illegally land on our coastlines. And will punish you for resisting that.

A statement of fact.

As you say it's the ruling classes and their culture. They are essentially the same as our Cornwall friend.

I can sense your frustration but what you need to come to terms with is that the Hol conservative community isn't reflective of our ruling institutions or the majority of our indoctrinated low testosterone youth.

Roadblocks are in force via the legal system. Something the British stick to like it's a religion even against their national interest. But the Tories have always known this and that's exactly the game they play.

The legal system is a middle and higher class capture of people all living in nice areas with ivory tower opinions because they have never had sh1t shovelled through their letterbox....as happened to us living in Brixton.

I know what's eventually coming and for the middle classes that remain who will be at the receiving of a ideological comeuppance that will be nothing short of a righting of the scales. They will deserve every last ounce.

Regardless my current view is due to the essential trusting nature of the golden and boomer generation all the necessary changes happened in Britain around fifty years ago and all we have seen is its advancement and progression ever since.

The worsening social metrics are ignored and given facetious coverage. All that matters to this kind of generation is their time. Our nation died for 'line go up'.....but they couldn't even manage that in the end.

Damn them to hell.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2023 11.22am)

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Spiderman Horsham 26 Nov 23 11.14am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays While the conservative party has factions like every other political entity I think it's just reality that the whole 'Rwanda' campaign, just like 'stop the boats' is little more than a distraction and dog and pony show on immigration. The focus on illegal immigration is slight of hand as the British public views all immigration as way out of proportion to what it should be. They rightly blame the Tories as the ruling party who could have dealt with this many decades ago....while they know that Labour also want immigration, despite all the opportunist criticisms they now all of a sudden have....Just like on Covid Labour are even worse, but gain because they aren't currently in power. Absolute neoliberal shower the lot of them. Indeed, Boris Johnson raging in the newspapers is the height of hypocrisy as he betrayed most of those who voted for him when he turned out to be an enthusiastic supporter of immigration rather than the 'based' picture he presented before government. The isn't a conservative party as Cameron rid it of most actual social conservatives due to his disfiguring on selection....just as Starmer is doing to Labour. It's a party of Rory Stewart clones. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2023 9.31am) Yep. As I posted sometime ago, the Rwanda plan was never going to happen ( I do think it would act as a deterrent), the Tories have not stuck to their election promises on this subject and many other. With regard to Immigration, in all my years working in that Department, no government have attempted to reduce it, Blair started the mass increase but subsequent governments have continued the trend. I for one will not vote for the Tories but nir can I bring myself to vote for Slippery Starmer. Looks like no trip to local polling station for me.
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Horsham 26 Nov 23 11.14am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

While the conservative party has factions like every other political entity I think it's just reality that the whole 'Rwanda' campaign, just like 'stop the boats' is little more than a distraction and dog and pony show on immigration.

The focus on illegal immigration is slight of hand as the British public views all immigration as way out of proportion to what it should be. They rightly blame the Tories as the ruling party who could have dealt with this many decades ago....while they know that Labour also want immigration, despite all the opportunist criticisms they now all of a sudden have....Just like on Covid Labour are even worse, but gain because they aren't currently in power.

Absolute neoliberal shower the lot of them.

Indeed, Boris Johnson raging in the newspapers is the height of hypocrisy as he betrayed most of those who voted for him when he turned out to be an enthusiastic supporter of immigration rather than the 'based' picture he presented before government.

The isn't a conservative party as Cameron rid it of most actual social conservatives due to his disfiguring on selection....just as Starmer is doing to Labour.

It's a party of Rory Stewart clones.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2023 9.31am)

Yep. As I posted sometime ago, the Rwanda plan was never going to happen ( I do think it would act as a deterrent), the Tories have not stuck to their election promises on this subject and many other. With regard to Immigration, in all my years working in that Department, no government have attempted to reduce it, Blair started the mass increase but subsequent governments have continued the trend. I for one will not vote for the Tories but nir can I bring myself to vote for Slippery Starmer. Looks like no trip to local polling station for me.

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Stirlingsays 26 Nov 23 11.14am
Originally posted by georgenorman Civil disorder similar to what took place in Dublin will become more and more commonplace. It has been predictable for many years - Powell even highlighted it in the 1960s. The future is pretty grim folks. Those to blame will not be blamed for nothing. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

26 Nov 23 11.14am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Those to blame will not be blamed for nothing.

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Badger11 Beckenham 26 Nov 23 11.17am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays As you say it's the ruling classes and their culture. They are essentially the same as our Cornwall friend. I can sense your frustration but what you need to come to terms with is that the Hol conservative community isn't reflective of our ruling institutions or the majority of our indoctrinated low testosterone youth. Roadblocks are in force via the legal system. Something the British stick to like it's a religion even against their national interest. But the Tories have always known this and that's exactly the game they play. The legal system is a middle and higher class capture of people all living in nice areas with ivory tower opinions because they have never had sh1t shovelled through their letterbox....as happened to us living in Brixton. I know what's eventually coming and for the middle class that remain and the receiving of a ideological comeuppance will be nothing short of a righting of the scales. They will deserve every last ounce. Regardless my current view is due to the essential trusting nature of the golden and boomer generation all the necessary changes happened in Britain around fifty years ago and all we have seen is its advancement and progression ever since. The worsening social metrics are ignored and given facetious coverage. All that matters to this kind of generation is their time. Our nation died for 'line go up'.....but they couldn't even manage that in the end. Damn them to hell. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2023 11.12am) I don't see a lot of diversity when it comes to volunteering which i do a fair bit of, likewise blood donations. It is largely the pale and the stale, the young aren't interested unless it comes with a TV or social media opportunity. I wonder when my generation has gone who will step up to the plate. During COVID I spent 8 months volunteering a Canadian friend was doing the same in her country only they had to pay her. I suspect that this is the way it will go here. I see there is a story today about OXFAM paying one of their staff £300k pa plus and they are not even a senior manager. It's the real #MeToo society. One more point
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Beckenham 26 Nov 23 11.17am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As you say it's the ruling classes and their culture. They are essentially the same as our Cornwall friend.

I know what's eventually coming and for the middle class that remain and the receiving of a ideological comeuppance will be nothing short of a righting of the scales. They will deserve every last ounce.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2023 11.12am)

I don't see a lot of diversity when it comes to volunteering which i do a fair bit of, likewise blood donations.

It is largely the pale and the stale, the young aren't interested unless it comes with a TV or social media opportunity.

I wonder when my generation has gone who will step up to the plate.

During COVID I spent 8 months volunteering a Canadian friend was doing the same in her country only they had to pay her. I suspect that this is the way it will go here.

I see there is a story today about OXFAM paying one of their staff £300k pa plus and they are not even a senior manager.

It's the real #MeToo society.

One more point

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Stirlingsays 26 Nov 23 11.20am
Originally posted by Spiderman Yep. As I posted sometime ago, the Rwanda plan was never going to happen ( I do think it would act as a deterrent), the Tories have not stuck to their election promises on this subject and many other. With regard to Immigration, in all my years working in that Department, no government have attempted to reduce it, Blair started the mass increase but subsequent governments have continued the trend. I for one will not vote for the Tories but nir can I bring myself to vote for Slippery Starmer. Looks like no trip to local polling station for me. I tip my hat Spider, it only encourages them. If Starmer and his band of promoted incompetents are the next batch of laughing stocks we have to endure then so be it. Unless there is an actual right wing option to vote for I'll just stay at home and endure the clown show. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2023 1.03pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Nov 23 11.20am

Originally posted by Spiderman

I tip my hat Spider, it only encourages them.

If Starmer and his band of promoted incompetents are the next batch of laughing stocks we have to endure then so be it.

Unless there is an actual right wing option to vote for I'll just stay at home and endure the clown show.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2023 1.03pm)

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Stirlingsays 26 Nov 23 11.33am
Originally posted by Badger11 I don't see a lot of diversity when it comes to volunteering which i do a fair bit of, likewise blood donations. It is largely the pale and the stale, the young aren't interested unless it comes with a TV or social media opportunity. I wonder when my generation has gone who will step up to the plate. During COVID I spent 8 months volunteering a Canadian friend was doing the same in her country only they had to pay her. I suspect that this is the way it will go here. I see there is a story today about OXFAM paying one of their staff £300k pa plus and they are not even a senior manager. It's the real #MeToo society. Completely. You know we differ on what happened around covid but I respect your willingness to work in the community and help people. That's the life blood of any society. It's all about the bubbles people live in. The people they interact with day to day. When people haven't lived as a 'white' minority in a mostly ethnic area like I grew up in. They think that their lives are always going to remain similar....the reality is that when you change the people you change the culture and nature of your living spaces. But it's not only about that. What you are seeing is the change from the higher trust society you grew up in to a lower trust and less socially cohesive one.....because essentially the connections that drew people together in the past are reducing. It's the same in the churches....In most of them it's like looking in an old people's home. It's not a good portent for the future. This isn't a problem for the Mosques. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2023 11.48am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Nov 23 11.33am

Originally posted by Badger11

I don't see a lot of diversity when it comes to volunteering which i do a fair bit of, likewise blood donations.

It is largely the pale and the stale, the young aren't interested unless it comes with a TV or social media opportunity.

I wonder when my generation has gone who will step up to the plate.

During COVID I spent 8 months volunteering a Canadian friend was doing the same in her country only they had to pay her. I suspect that this is the way it will go here.

I see there is a story today about OXFAM paying one of their staff £300k pa plus and they are not even a senior manager.

It's the real #MeToo society.

Completely.

You know we differ on what happened around covid but I respect your willingness to work in the community and help people. That's the life blood of any society.

It's all about the bubbles people live in. The people they interact with day to day. When people haven't lived as a 'white' minority in a mostly ethnic area like I grew up in. They think that their lives are always going to remain similar....the reality is that when you change the people you change the culture and nature of your living spaces.

But it's not only about that. What you are seeing is the change from the higher trust society you grew up in to a lower trust and less socially cohesive one.....because essentially the connections that drew people together in the past are reducing.

It's the same in the churches....In most of them it's like looking in an old people's home. It's not a good portent for the future.

This isn't a problem for the Mosques.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2023 11.48am)

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Matov 26 Nov 23 11.43am
Originally posted by Badger11 I see there is a story today about OXFAM paying one of their staff £300k pa plus and they are not even a senior manager. It's the real #MeToo society. The corruption and links between the high-profile charity/ngo's and our governing elites is simply incredible when you delve even a little into it. Almost any and every 'social' organization out there will have an upper management structure largely comprised of people who have nothing to do with the actual proscribed aims of the bodies involved and are there simply to extract an exorbitant salary and wield a malign influence. Managerialism in its most parasitical manifestation. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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26 Nov 23 11.43am

Originally posted by Badger11

I see there is a story today about OXFAM paying one of their staff £300k pa plus and they are not even a senior manager.

It's the real #MeToo society.

The corruption and links between the high-profile charity/ngo's and our governing elites is simply incredible when you delve even a little into it.

Almost any and every 'social' organization out there will have an upper management structure largely comprised of people who have nothing to do with the actual proscribed aims of the bodies involved and are there simply to extract an exorbitant salary and wield a malign influence. Managerialism in its most parasitical manifestation.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Matov 26 Nov 23 11.47am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's the same in the churches....In most of them it's like looking in an old people's home. It's not a good portent for the future. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2023 11.35am) Stand in the vicinity of Mosque on a Friday. See what pours out of them. And hats off to Islam for it. Its ability to engage its fighting age youth and effectively organise them is a sight to behold. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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26 Nov 23 11.47am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's the same in the churches....In most of them it's like looking in an old people's home. It's not a good portent for the future.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2023 11.35am)

Stand in the vicinity of Mosque on a Friday. See what pours out of them.

And hats off to Islam for it. Its ability to engage its fighting age youth and effectively organise them is a sight to behold.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Stirlingsays 26 Nov 23 11.54am
Originally posted by Matov Stand in the vicinity of Mosque on a Friday. See what pours out of them. And hats off to Islam for it. Its ability to engage its fighting age youth and effectively organise them is a sight to behold. Unlike us, they haven't had fifth columnists telling them how bad their history and culture is....and how essentially seeing themselves as a group means they are Hitler. Those people haven't been improving Britain's future. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Nov 23 11.54am

Originally posted by Matov

Stand in the vicinity of Mosque on a Friday. See what pours out of them.

And hats off to Islam for it. Its ability to engage its fighting age youth and effectively organise them is a sight to behold.

Unlike us, they haven't had fifth columnists telling them how bad their history and culture is....and how essentially seeing themselves as a group means they are Hitler.

Those people haven't been improving Britain's future.

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eaglesdare 26 Nov 23 12.19pm
Latest: Dublin stabbing suspect had row over social welfare payments [Link]
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26 Nov 23 12.19pm

Latest: Dublin stabbing suspect had row over social welfare payments

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Matov 26 Nov 23 1.10pm
Originally posted by eaglesdare Latest: Dublin stabbing suspect had row over social welfare payments [Link] IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation To call upon a neighbour and to say: – "We invaded you last night – we are quite prepared to fight, Unless you pay us cash to go away." And that is called asking for Dane-geld, And the people who ask it explain That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld And then you'll get rid of the Dane! It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation, To puff and look important and to say: – "Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you. We will therefore pay you cash to go away." And that is called paying the Dane-geld; But we've proved it again and again, That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld You never get rid of the Dane. It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation, For fear they should succumb and go astray; So when you are requested to pay up or be molested, You will find it better policy to say: -- "We never pay any-one Dane-geld, No matter how trifling the cost; For the end of that game is oppression and shame, And the nation that plays it is lost!" Joseph Rudyard Kipling "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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26 Nov 23 1.10pm

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Latest: Dublin stabbing suspect had row over social welfare payments

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IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
To call upon a neighbour and to say: –
"We invaded you last night – we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away."

And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld
And then you'll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say: –
"Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away."

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we've proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say: --

"We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!"

Joseph Rudyard Kipling

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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