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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Sep 23 12.35pm | |
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I can understand why something written by Allison Pearson would be popular with some regular posters here. She also holds some odd views as can be read in her Wiki entry. Interesting private life too. A very good role model:- I used to read the Telegraph as my newspaper of choice when it provided a serious but sensible window on the world. Sadly those days have gone and I don't see much of a future for it now.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 30 Sep 23 1.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I can understand why something written by Allison Pearson would be popular with some regular posters here. She also holds some odd views as can be read in her Wiki entry. Interesting private life too. A very good role model:- I used to read the Telegraph as my newspaper of choice when it provided a serious but sensible window on the world. Sadly those days have gone and I don't see much of a future for it now. Incredibly odd to not like the EU, criticise the reaction to Covid and not be in support of Trans issues.
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steeleye20 Croydon 30 Sep 23 4.26pm | |
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Here is the weather:- BBC - Higher seasonal temperatures than average. GB News - HIgh pressure jet stream to whack Britain and plunge country into autumn 'steam bath'.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Sep 23 9.52pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Incredibly odd to not like the EU, criticise the reaction to Covid and not be in support of Trans issues. They are by no means the oddest. Describing Brussels as the jihadist capital of Europe isn’t normal. Nor is the idea of deliberately infecting people with Covid to create herd immunity. Rather taint her other ideas.
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cryrst The garden of England 01 Oct 23 6.55am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Here is the weather:- BBC - Higher seasonal temperatures than average. GB News - HIgh pressure jet stream to whack Britain and plunge country into autumn 'steam bath'.
‘With a’ Put that between the two and they are both correct.
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Stirlingsays 01 Oct 23 3.37pm | |
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Oct 23 9.20pm | |
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Why is a speech made by Reagan 60 years ago thought to be relevant today? Would he even make it today? Somehow I doubt that, as he was a smart guy who would understand how the world has changed. This was a political campaign speech in support of Goldwater who was running for President and clearly intended to influence voters. Goldwater, by the way, was trounced by Johnson so the voters, even those in the USA, didn’t buy into the rhetoric. Only committed Marxists believe in the kind of “big government” alleged, just as only anarchists believe in the lack of any kind of government. Most of us believe in something in between, so the question is where the line is drawn. I believe Reagan’s best mate, Thatcher, had it right and that Reagan would today acknowledge that. Thatcher believed in subsidiarity. So do I. In a changing world that line needs to regularly be moved to achieve the principles of subsidiarity. Some things cannot be achieved without central intervention. Other things can. Those things keep changing. That a right wing propagandist broadcaster which poses as a news channel disciplines employees for behaviour they disapprove of is not in any way a suppression of free speech. It’s not their channel. They are free to behave however they like in their own time, unless contractually restricted, or work elsewhere. That Ofcom has rules which all public broadcasters must adhere to surely has to be welcomed. They are a reflection of our current standards of acceptable behaviour. Ours, as defined by the agency appointed by our elected representatives on our behalf. That’s not big government. It’s just government.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 02 Oct 23 4.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I think what this episode has proven is that the right aren't going to be allowed a 'free speech' channel in the sense that they advertised themselves as.....something that was already pretty lukewarm and cucked conservativism as it was. Before GBNews....which was doing very well in ratings....whenever the right complained about censorship we would hear coming back to us....'build your own Twitter' or 'build your own media' so on and so forth. In reality the nature of progressives means that they can't brook any opposing viewpoint and since this outlet was created have obsessively attacked it just for existing. Their activists continually contact advertisers and form mobs to report to Ofcom as some kind of badge of honour. Considering the viewing numbers GBNews should have no issues with advertisers but in reality they are scared by these deranged weirdos.....who have a lot of mainstream support....and obviously all the existing competing media channels behind them. What they do is actually create the space for stronger views than GBNews....but they aren't bright enough to realise that as in their brains GBNews are the far right. Personally I think a right wing channel will have to operate off shore from the liberal authoritarianism that the British state is moving towards. The state via its institutional instruments will only allow approved opinions on television. Essentially it's little different to Russia. The Tories are terrible because they have done nothing to row back the crimes done to civic liberties in this country but when Labour get in......there will be a chilling affect on free speech across the country. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Sep 2023 10.12am) You keep mentioning how well GBNews is doing in ratings and viewing figures - do you have a source for that, because the data I've seen certainly doesn't support that idea. The rest of the paranoia kind of crumbles apart if the reality is that no one watches the sh*t anyway. More broadly, if you're going to provide a platform nearly exclusively for grifters, conspiracy peddlers and people who just like being controversial and offensive, I don't think it's that surprising that model ends up with considerably more complaints than channels who don't allow such unserious people on their shows. It's also not remotely surprising that advertisers don't want association with such a network. What serious company is going to advertise on a platform where people like Fox can spit the bile he does? It's beyond delusional to think they would. The idea this is some plucky little start-up trying to battle the establishment is just laughable - it's backed by tens of millions of hedge fund money and it's hosts are exclusively either Tory MPs or mainstream s*** talkers that have been poached from the very establishment they're so opposed to.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 02 Oct 23 6.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
[Tweet Link] He could see it coming because he was doing the exact opposite when in power. Complete hypocrite. Words right, actions wrong.
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Stirlingsays 03 Oct 23 5.09am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
You keep mentioning how well GBNews is doing in ratings and viewing figures - do you have a source for that, because the data I've seen certainly doesn't support that idea. The rest of the paranoia kind of crumbles apart if the reality is that no one watches the sh*t anyway. More broadly, if you're going to provide a platform nearly exclusively for grifters, conspiracy peddlers and people who just like being controversial and offensive, I don't think it's that surprising that model ends up with considerably more complaints than channels who don't allow such unserious people on their shows. It's also not remotely surprising that advertisers don't want association with such a network. What serious company is going to advertise on a platform where people like Fox can spit the bile he does? It's beyond delusional to think they would. The idea this is some plucky little start-up trying to battle the establishment is just laughable - it's backed by tens of millions of hedge fund money and it's hosts are exclusively either Tory MPs or mainstream s*** talkers that have been poached from the very establishment they're so opposed to.
With respect I get a little tired of people asking me to do the research for them. I've previously been asked for this exact same question and provided the figures previously. You have seen data suggesting the opposite, perhaps that's data with an agenda....perhaps the link I'll provide for you is the same. Regardless, the channel seems to be doing well for its situation and amount of agendaed attacks. The rest of your post pretty much sums up that you don't like the political perspective of GBNews. Really? Well, welcome to the party pal. You are probably in the same place I am, just with politics on the opposite end. GBNews is largely cucked conservativism and people better representing people like me Mark Steyn for example was 'offed'. No doubt you regard the liberal broadcasters on traditional channels as failed representatives of your opinions as well.....Just less imperfect. However, probably unlike you, I would support you having a channel that better reflected the left as its base actually is, simply because I believe that decentralization is better than corporate/state control of media (neo liberal or otherwise)...but that should cut both left and right ways. As for your pearl clutching and presentation of the advertising situation as organic....sorry if you are being serious I find that naive and ridiculous but you are entitled to your view.
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Stirlingsays 03 Oct 23 5.10am | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
He could see it coming because he was doing the exact opposite when in power. Complete hypocrite. Words right, actions wrong. Probably a fair summary.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Oct 23 8.36am | |
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I see that Farage is attending the Conservative Party Conference in his GB News presenter capacity and getting cosy with Truss and all the others on the right. This looks pretty clearly to be positioning for the post-election situation, which could go several ways. My preference is the right of the Tories accept there is no place for them in the modern Party and they split and join Reform, with Farage either leading them or being their cheerleader at GB News. However I also see the possibility of Truss standing again for Party leader after a humiliating defeat and the membership, bless them, voting for her with Farage encouraging them. That would, I think, signal the final death knell of the Party as a major player and open the door to PR and coalition government.
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