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PJEagle Flag London 05 Feb 23 5.38pm Send a Private Message to PJEagle Add PJEagle as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

Why is this dubious? I can sack members of my team at work without having to ask the CEO. I'm expected to know how to hire and manage my department.

I think PV has the right to decide how he wants to manage his players. If Sean wasn't talking to players the way Vieira wants, then that is his prerogative

 

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PJEagle Flag London 05 Feb 23 6.05pm Send a Private Message to PJEagle Add PJEagle as a friend

Originally posted by PJEagle

I think PV has the right to decide how he wants to manage his players. If Sean wasn't talking to players the way Vieira wants, then that is his prerogative

Although we lost, we put a lot of pressure on them in second half, so Vieira's half time team talk seems to have been effective? Pity about Derry. One of the Palace greats. Maybe he was better with the younger players than the first team squad?

 

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southnorwoodhill Flag 05 Feb 23 6.18pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Fair enough, but there must be some disciplinary rulebook you have to abide by, no? Verbal, written, final warning, dismissal?

Furthermore, had Vieira not followed the club's disciplinary code, then Derry may have a case for wrongful dismissal. But this is further speculation, excuse me...

Edited by southnorwoodhill (05 Feb 2023 6.21pm)

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 06 Feb 23 8.56am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

I’ve just read an interesting piece in which Alex Ferguson says that his old ‘ hairdryer ‘ method wouldn’t work with todays generation of players …..

 


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Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 06 Feb 23 11.46am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

I’ve just read an interesting piece in which Alex Ferguson says that his old ‘ hairdryer ‘ method wouldn’t work with todays generation of players …..

Yes, you are probably right, soon they will have their lawyers for team talks

 


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Pierre Flag Purley 06 Feb 23 12.08pm Send a Private Message to Pierre Add Pierre as a friend

Originally posted by PJEagle

I think PV has the right to decide how he wants to manage his players. If Sean wasn't talking to players the way Vieira wants, then that is his prerogative

This is probably the crux of the matter. Especially if this issue had been highlighted before by PV, discussed at length in private between the pair of them and still not taken onboard by SD.
There may have only been so far PV was going to pushed on whatever the issue was and clearly SD crossed the line.

Maybe the club will announce something when Shaun Derry has a new position elsewhere, as at present as he may still be employed by the club and therefore technically hasn't actually left yet.

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 06 Feb 23 12.13pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Fair enough, but there must be some disciplinary rulebook you have to abide by, no? Verbal, written, final warning, dismissal?

Correct.

The thing is we don't know whether this is Derry's first offence? It is entirely possible that he had been warned previously about his behaviour.

It is also unclear what the offence is yelling at someone may earn you a written warning, using racist or threatening language will get you fired.

It is also possible that Derry was offered a way out as the simplest way for both him and the club to save face e.g. you resign and we will pay you X.

I can imagine that Parish would prefer someone to go quietly rather than a messy PR scandal like Ian Mooney.

All speculation until someone talks.

Edited by Badger11 (06 Feb 2023 12.15pm)

 


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palace99 Flag New Mills 06 Feb 23 12.16pm

Originally posted by PJEagle

Although we lost, we put a lot of pressure on them in second half, so Vieira's half time team talk seems to have been effective? Pity about Derry. One of the Palace greats. Maybe he was better with the younger players than the first team squad?

or maybe united being reduced to 10 men for the last 20 minutes had a bigger impact on the game.

Why do we start so slowly almost every week? Maybe PV's approach isn't working and Derry wanted to get them a bit more fired up.

All speculation but it is pretty clear that something is not right at the moment and the fact that we run less than any other Prem team per match is a damning statistic

 

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rikz Flag Croydon 06 Feb 23 7.06pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Yes, the same Shaun Derry that didn't have 122M to spend

Well he wasn't competing against squads worth 2 billion was he. Dumb reply.

 

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Casual Flag Orpington 06 Feb 23 8.13pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Heard a rumour that Viera wants bergkamp on the coaching staff.

 

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Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 06 Feb 23 8.51pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by rikz

Well he wasn't competing against squads worth 2 billion was he. Dumb reply.

 


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PJEagle Flag London 06 Feb 23 9.51pm Send a Private Message to PJEagle Add PJEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Correct.

The thing is we don't know whether this is Derry's first offence? It is entirely possible that he had been warned previously about his behaviour.

It is also unclear what the offence is yelling at someone may earn you a written warning, using racist or threatening language will get you fired.

It is also possible that Derry was offered a way out as the simplest way for both him and the club to save face e.g. you resign and we will pay you X.
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I can imagine that Parish would prefer someone to go quietly rather than a messy PR scandal like Ian Mooney.

All speculation until someone talks.
It's a pity but if he didn't have the right approach from Vieira's, then hasty la vista
Edited by Badger11 (06 Feb 2023 12.15pm)

 

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