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chris123 Flag hove actually 27 Dec 22 12.12pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

will we 'yellow card' footballers who do religious gestures on the pitch ?

or that italian player who did the fascist salute ? or all other political stuff ? or is only half the political & religious stuff to be frowned upon ?

and to pray in public ? maybe the tolerance of that should be commensurate with those religions tolerance of 'others' ?

try being an atheist in General Franco's Spain, or being a Jew in Saudi.

Anti socialist!!

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 27 Dec 22 12.41pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

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No-one ever argued that a naked man in a women’s changing room wouldn’t be a threat but if you believe that is what that issue is about then I don’t. It’s very much more involved than that. It isn’t just about men taking advantage of a new environment. It’s about how we respond to the needs of the transgender community.

Nor does anyone believe that a woman praying in the street is a threat. It depends on the street and the perceptions of those who might witness the activity. So if she choose another street, which impacts no-one, who loses? Christian kindness requires her to be sensitive to the feelings of others. The law demands it be followed by all.

The two issues are completely different and cannot be conflated.

Actually someone did. Go back and have a look.
She could have chosen a street 150 yards away and had the same issue.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 27 Dec 22 1.22pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

They aren’t being held responsible.

They are being expected to abide by the law just as everyone else is.

Whether you, I or anyone else thinks that law is wise is another issue for which we all have the right to campaign to change. Whilst it exists we are all bound by it.

That you believe that a woman going through the severe stress of having to decide whether to undergo an abortion ought not feel intimidated by someone whose deliberate actions are intended to influence her and, if she does, it means she is mentally ill, is your business. I don’t agree and it seems those making the law don’t either.

Certainly, they are being held responsible – they are being arrested for it.
The pro-abortion organisation ‘Shout Your Abortion’ book says “Abortion is normal and beyond that, it is a matter of individual liberty. Telling our abortion stories is a form of resistance - abortion is a celebration of life.” Doesn’t seem to be much severe stress there.
Certainly, these pettifogging regulations are a form of law, my main point throughout these posts is that it is bad, repressive law if you can't stand silently in a public street without being arrested.
I’m happy to stand by my view that anyone feeling intimidated by someone standing silently in a public street, is probably mentally ill, regardless of whether they are stressed or not.


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 27 Dec 22 3.26pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Certainly, they are being held responsible – they are being arrested for it.
The pro-abortion organisation ‘Shout Your Abortion’ book says “Abortion is normal and beyond that, it is a matter of individual liberty. Telling our abortion stories is a form of resistance - abortion is a celebration of life.” Doesn’t seem to be much severe stress there.
Certainly, these pettifogging regulations are a form of law, my main point throughout these posts is that it is bad, repressive law if you can't stand silently in a public street without being arrested.
I’m happy to stand by my view that anyone feeling intimidated by someone standing silently in a public street, is probably mentally ill, regardless of whether they are stressed or not.


Edited by georgenorman (27 Dec 2022 1.24pm)

Of course

And it doesn't depend upon context or history.

As long as they don't have a clown mask on eh?

After all, what could possibly go wrong with a four-times convicted religious fundamentalist just hovering around those people that are her prime targets in life.

Funnily enough, most people having an abortion aren't part of Shout Your Abortion, I am not sure anyone in the UK is. That is another American import constructed as a reaction to the proposed de-funding of Planned Parenthood.

Assuming you had some form of youth, you will know people that have had an abortion. I suspect, along with many on this thread, you will be blissfully unaware. Let's face it, if I had an abortion I wouldn't tell anyone I didn't trust with the information. I am not aware of anyone 'shouting their abortion' in Croydon, maybe I am missing something.

Frankly I am shocked by the unforgiving and misogynistic tone of this debate. Women aren't chattels to be controlled. Yet reproductive control by men runs through history like a stick of rock. Isabel Vaughan-Spruce and her sister are simply mouthpieces for the Catholic Church's views. I thought we had gone beyond such indoctrination in (most of) the UK.

Oh boy, isn't the right wing and religious media having a field day from this one clearly 'disturbed' woman. I wonder why.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Dec 22 3.56pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Of course

And it doesn't depend upon context or history.

As long as they don't have a clown mask on eh?

After all, what could possibly go wrong with a four-times convicted religious fundamentalist just hovering around those people that are her prime targets in life.

Funnily enough, most people having an abortion aren't part of Shout Your Abortion, I am not sure anyone in the UK is. That is another American import constructed as a reaction to the proposed de-funding of Planned Parenthood.

Assuming you had some form of youth, you will know people that have had an abortion. I suspect, along with many on this thread, you will be blissfully unaware. Let's face it, if I had an abortion I wouldn't tell anyone I didn't trust with the information. I am not aware of anyone 'shouting their abortion' in Croydon, maybe I am missing something.

Frankly I am shocked by the unforgiving and misogynistic tone of this debate. Women aren't chattels to be controlled. Yet reproductive control by men runs through history like a stick of rock. Isabel Vaughan-Spruce and her sister are simply mouthpieces for the Catholic Church's views. I thought we had gone beyond such indoctrination in (most of) the UK.

Oh boy, isn't the right wing and religious media having a field day from this one clearly 'disturbed' woman. I wonder why.

No one is suggesting that most people who turn up for abortions are cheering like that crowd of feminists and soy boy activists in Ireland, however it's most definitely true that much more restrained attitudes towards abortion are attacked by the so called progressives.

As for the leftist obsession with 'misogyny', half of aborted babies would be females. This line is always a nonsense. To suggest that being against how abortion is run, celebrated and promoted in modern times is about hating women is quite something.

It's a tin ear.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Dec 2022 3.57pm)

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 27 Dec 22 4.16pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No one is suggesting that most people who turn up for abortions are cheering like that crowd of feminists and soy boy activists in Ireland, however it's most definitely true that much more restrained attitudes towards abortion are attacked by the so called progressives.

As for the leftist obsession with 'misogyny', half of aborted babies would be females. This line is always a nonsense. To suggest that being against how abortion is run, celebrated and promoted in modern times is about hating women is quite something.

It's a tin ear.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Dec 2022 3.57pm)

The misogyny is not about the gender of the foetus, that is presumably intended to be fatuous. It is that historically women have been controlled by male agendas. What is your view on the Taliban for example?

My daughter recently insisted I read this, may be you too could take a peak.

And by the way, Happy Christmas. I hope you had a great time with the wife and boys and will continue to enjoy a fabulous break.

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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Dec 22 4.39pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

The misogyny is not about the gender of the foetus, that is presumably intended to be fatuous. It is that historically women have been controlled by male agendas. What is your view on the Taliban for example?

My daughter recently insisted I read this, may be you too could take a peak.

And by the way, Happy Christmas. I hope you had a great time with the wife and boys and will continue to enjoy a fabulous break.

Misogyny is about hating women so can you really define what it is and isn't applied to? If someone against abortion was genuinely 'misogynistic' (something I consider in the vast majority of cases to be hyperbolic) and they actually hated females then I would say they would only be concerned about boys being aborted as is the attitude in some parts of of the sub continent.

Thank you, having a nice time with the family and I return the same kind salutations your way.

ps, as for 'invisible women' that looks far too man hating for me to countenance. Modern women have had their heads filled with the most self damaging rot....mostly by older bitter feminists who mainly have a future of loneliness and cats to look forward to and want to blame men for those mistakes.

If they could keep the 'invisible women' to the entitled beached whales who think they are the god's gift to society then the west would be a far more pleasant place to live....with an actual future.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Dec 2022 6.19pm)

 


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Originally posted by Mapletree

Of course

And it doesn't depend upon context or history.

As long as they don't have a clown mask on eh?

After all, what could possibly go wrong with a four-times convicted religious fundamentalist just hovering around those people that are her prime targets in life.

Funnily enough, most people having an abortion aren't part of Shout Your Abortion, I am not sure anyone in the UK is. That is another American import constructed as a reaction to the proposed de-funding of Planned Parenthood.

Assuming you had some form of youth, you will know people that have had an abortion. I suspect, along with many on this thread, you will be blissfully unaware. Let's face it, if I had an abortion I wouldn't tell anyone I didn't trust with the information. I am not aware of anyone 'shouting their abortion' in Croydon, maybe I am missing something.

Frankly I am shocked by the unforgiving and misogynistic tone of this debate. Women aren't chattels to be controlled. Yet reproductive control by men runs through history like a stick of rock. Isabel Vaughan-Spruce and her sister are simply mouthpieces for the Catholic Church's views. I thought we had gone beyond such indoctrination in (most of) the UK.

Oh boy, isn't the right wing and religious media having a field day from this one clearly 'disturbed' woman. I wonder why.

Over recent years the raft of 'progressive' legislation designed to advance women’s rights takes nothing else into consideration. Simply to raise a question about unintended consequences and ramifications, is to be labelled as a misogynist reactionary.

Edited by georgenorman (27 Dec 2022 6.06pm)

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Dec 22 5.55pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

My view of the Taliban? 7th century Islamic fundamentalism is anti western.

As feminist progressive books are being shown I link Jordan Peterson's rather forceful take down of these faulty interpretations of the past and leftist buzzwords in his interview with British GQ four years ago.

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When these ideas encounter criticism they don't do well and it's really only within criticism free environments that they thrive......which is why they are in our universities where victimhood and virtue signalling live as advantage in the former and brownie points in the latter.


Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Dec 2022 5.57pm)

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 27 Dec 22 6.07pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

My view of the Taliban? 7th century Islamic fundamentalism is anti western.

As feminist progressive books are being shown I link Jordan Peterson's rather forceful take down of these faulty interpretations of the past and leftist buzzwords in his interview with British GQ four years ago.

[Link]

When these ideas encounter criticism they don't do well and it's really only within criticism free environments that they thrive......which is why they are in our universities where victimhood and virtue signalling live as advantage in the former and brownie points in the latter.


Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Dec 2022 5.57pm)

I am sorry

Canadian is American and as such not for me. But thanks anyway

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Dec 22 6.18pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I am sorry

Canadian is American and as such not for me. But thanks anyway

Sure, I can only turn on the light, you have to do the looking.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sure, I can only turn on the light, you have to do the looking.


We don’t have to turn on the light, the smell tells us what you’re peddling.

 

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