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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jan 23 9.00am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Won't work. If someone who is overweight takes up jogging and has a heart attack should they get priority? A person who needs shoulder surgery from gym work is more deserving of treatment than some one who doesn't work out? I am talking about a general approach to encourage people to avoid harmful lifestyle choices by rewarding those who do and penalising those who don't. There will always be exceptions which demand common sense judgements. Someone who is overweight would not be likely to be recommended to take up jogging at a level to produce a heart attack before being encouraged to lose weight via a sensible diet. Heart attacks are emergencies. Emergencies are always a priority. Revenue from any harmful behaviour is not a reason to avoid trying to reduce that behaviour. Getting people fit and active would likely produce more anyway. That the NHS is always under pressure is no reason to accept making that pressure worse when it can, and should, be avoided.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jan 23 9.05am | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
I managed to get a fake vaccine cert (QR code) last year to go on a fab sun holiday! :-) even had a mask exemption letter I made for the airline to go maskless :-) That you appear to be proud of this says all that needs to be said about this behaviour.
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Teddy Eagle 16 Jan 23 9.08am | |
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The NHS should not be "off-limits [or] treated as a shrine rather than a service".
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Teddy Eagle 16 Jan 23 9.16am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am talking about a general approach to encourage people to avoid harmful lifestyle choices by rewarding those who do and penalising those who don't. There will always be exceptions which demand common sense judgements. Someone who is overweight would not be likely to be recommended to take up jogging at a level to produce a heart attack before being encouraged to lose weight via a sensible diet. Heart attacks are emergencies. Emergencies are always a priority. Revenue from any harmful behaviour is not a reason to avoid trying to reduce that behaviour. Getting people fit and active would likely produce more anyway. That the NHS is always under pressure is no reason to accept making that pressure worse when it can, and should, be avoided. Won't work. Person A gave up smoking 15 years ago so gets treatment before Person B who gave it up 10 years ago and both after Person C who's never smoked.
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eaglesdare 16 Jan 23 10.13am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That you appear to be proud of this says all that needs to be said about this behaviour. lol
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jan 23 10.18am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Won't work. Person A gave up smoking 15 years ago so gets treatment before Person B who gave it up 10 years ago and both after Person C who's never smoked. . Sorry but I think you are being pedantic. I am talking about general principle, the application of which will vary considerably. It’s not just about all personal choices either. It’s about personal lifestyle choices that result in personal harm which then demands community support. Having children is not in that category.
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Teddy Eagle 16 Jan 23 10.33am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
. Sorry but I think you are being pedantic. I am talking about general principle, the application of which will vary considerably. It’s not just about all personal choices either. It’s about personal lifestyle choices that result in personal harm which then demands community support. Having children is not in that category. Having lots of children does result in community support via child support payments and added pressure on the school system and is a personal choice.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jan 23 7.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Having lots of children does result in community support via child support payments and added pressure on the school system and is a personal choice. Children become contributing members of society for most of their lives, or at least the majority do. Some societies reward childbirth well, and some here want to see it increased as a way to limit immigration. So it’s a net benefit, not a cost, to us. Of course smokers are entitled to the same as non smokers. Just not more due to their indulgences.
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Teddy Eagle 16 Jan 23 7.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Children become contributing members of society for most of their lives, or at least the majority do. Some societies reward childbirth well, and some here want to see it increased as a way to limit immigration. So it’s a net benefit, not a cost, to us. Of course smokers are entitled to the same as non smokers. Just not more due to their indulgences. More? No one is asking for more; just not less. I wasn't aware that peo
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Teddy Eagle 16 Jan 23 7.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
More? No one is asking for more; just not less. I wasn't aware that people have lots of kids to benefit society.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jan 23 8.07am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
More? No one is asking for more; just not less. I wasn't aware that people have lots of kids to benefit society. If they need extra treatment due to smoking related disease then it certainly is more. People don’t have kids to benefit society anymore that they go to work themselves to do so. It’s just a fact that it does.
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Teddy Eagle 17 Jan 23 8.32am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If they need extra treatment due to smoking related disease then it certainly is more. People don’t have kids to benefit society anymore that they go to work themselves to do so. It’s just a fact that it does. Really? All those extra children don't put additional strain on the NHS? It's also a fact that smokers' net contribution to the tax system is greater than what they cost.
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