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 Teddy Eagle  25 Mar 22 1.00pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That doesn't change anything, Teddy. No-one is bound by a Shania decision, unless they choose to be. Cultural acceptance is not the same as a legal obligation. Doesn’t that depend on the degree of cultural acceptance? You or I might not care what an advisory council decide but we don’t face social ostracism because of their findings.
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Stirlingsays  25 Mar 22 1.07pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No he didn't. He said it was "operating". People can use things, at their discretion. A law "operates". It imposes decisions. The distinction matters. Misleading claims lead to misunderstandings that lead to prejudice. If I wanted to use the word, 'impose' then I would have used it. As I stated, don't subscribe to me words I haven't used. It's a fact that Sharia is operating in this country. You are a liar and have no care for the truth. There are communities here that care more for social acceptance within their communities than legal differences and are quite happy to accept their own legal system....whether that benefits them or not. That's a consequence of the you politics you support. That distinction between the legal systems will only strengthen the larger that community gets. You'd think that the Ukraine would light some bulbs in people's brains but I know you are far beyond reasoning with.
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palace_in_frogland  In a broken dream 25 Mar 22 1.11pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That doesn't change anything, Teddy. No-one is bound by a Shania decision, unless they choose to be. Cultural acceptance is not the same as a legal obligation. That don’t impress me much...
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| Teddy Eagle 25 Mar 22 1.16pm |
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Originally posted by palace_in_frogland
That don’t impress me much... Never the Twain.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 22 1.27pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's literally called and recognised as Sharia. I said that Sharia is operating in the country. It's not misleading, it's factual. No you didn't. You responded to the comment which described it as Shania LAW. Let me get that very, very clear just in case you try to ignore it again. LAW!!!!! Not just Shania. Shania LAW does NOT operate in the UK. Shania Councils operate as a dispute resolution service, but these have NO LEGAL basis of any kind. They are the facts. What you state is a lie. Trying to conflate the two is a deliberate attempt to inflame and mislead. It's shameful behaviour.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 22 1.33pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If I wanted to use the word, 'impose' then I would have used it. As I stated, don't subscribe to me words I haven't used. It's a fact that Sharia is operating in this country. You are a liar and have no care for the truth. There are communities here that care more for social acceptance within their communities than legal differences and are quite happy to accept their own legal system....whether that benefits them or not. That's a consequence of the you politics you support. That distinction between the legal systems will only strengthen the larger that community gets. You'd think that the Ukraine would light some bulbs in people's brains but I know you are far beyond reasoning with. You responded to a question about Shania Law and said it was operating. Not just to Shania Council mediation. The lies lie entirely at your door, however much you seek to deny and prevaricate. I pointed out the facts, and because you can never admit an error, you double down as usual. The truth matters.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Mar 22 1.37pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No you didn't. You responded to the comment which described it as Shania LAW. Let me get that very, very clear just in case you try to ignore it again. LAW!!!!! Not just Shania. Shania LAW does NOT operate in the UK. Shania Councils operate as a dispute resolution service, but these have NO LEGAL basis of any kind. They are the facts. What you state is a lie. Trying to conflate the two is a deliberate attempt to inflame and mislead. It's shameful behaviour.
Secondly the word Sharia means religious law....the use of the word law is superfluous. Sharia councils operate with the agreement of the UK parliament. They operate under those aspects of Sharia that they deem acceptable. Sorry that facts hurt your feelings but Sharia operates in the UK. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2022 1.39pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 22 1.46pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Doesn’t that depend on the degree of cultural acceptance? You or I might not care what an advisory council decide but we don’t face social ostracism because of their findings. I make no comment on that. I am only describing the legal position. That we may, as a society, need to reinforce that in the minds of some people who may believe it is the law, is another issue. We can always do more, but facts are facts.
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| Teddy Eagle 25 Mar 22 1.47pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Secondly the word Sharia means religious law....the use of the word law is superfluous. Sharia councils operate with the agreement of the UK parliament. They operate under those aspects of Sharia that they deem acceptable. Sorry that facts hurt your feelings but Sharia operates in the UK. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2022 1.39pm)
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| Stirlingsays 25 Mar 22 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Islamic law is the better translation.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 22 2.29pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Secondly the word Sharia means religious law....the use of the word law is superfluous. Sharia councils operate with the agreement of the UK parliament. They operate under those aspects of Sharia that they deem acceptable. Sorry that facts hurt your feelings but Sharia operates in the UK. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2022 1.39pm) Ok So I am typing too quickly because your attitude annoys me as it is so ridiculous. Every UK citizen is bound only by British law. That's a fact. Everything else is voluntary. Sharia doesn't "operate". It can be used by those who wish to avail of it. I am not bound by Cannon law. Nor by Sharia law. Both are religious laws, but they don't have the same meaning as British law. Sharia councils have been given the right to exist and offer services, to those who wish to use them, but they cannot impose anything. Would YOU accept a ruling handed down under Sharia Law? If not, why must any other British citizen? Cricket has "laws". Golf has "laws". They only apply to those who play the sports and wish to accept them. Sharia is little different.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 22 2.37pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Islamic law is the better translation. You can call it whatever you want to, but it isn't a law. There is only one law in the UK, slightly modified in Scotland and Northern Ireland, but nevertheless a law that applies to everyone. That some Muslims want Sharia to be legal, and some others seem to think it is, doesn't change the facts. It isn't and, in my opinion, never will be, anything more than a voluntary way of resolving disputes, usually over family matters.
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