He sure does listen, the only problem is it has to be said very loudly and repeated multiple times.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Kabul most certainly was not entirely his plan. The timetable was inherited and whilst pressure was applied to try to delay it, it was stuck to. That resolve would have come from a mix of determinants. The mood at home which wanted to see an end to it, and an agreement with the Taliban, who stood back and let it happen. Judging what would produce the least bad outcome will never stop people criticising what will always be a bad outcome.

Almost none of that would have been Biden's work.

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When we speak about "Trump's", or "Biden's" plan we tend to forget it is neither. It was a commitment made by the USA. The Doha agreement, made during the Trump Presidency, bound the US government. The Biden administration inherited it and oversaw the final part of it. It was already in process.

The detailed timetable was modified by events. Events do that, but the overall objective wasn't. Some senior generals argued for delay, and there were disagreements about who said what to whom and when. What lay behind the scenes and what the intelligence was saying, we may never know, but this would not have been one man's decision. Trump is the only President I can recall who took this kind of decision alone.

A comprehensive account of these events, as is publicly known, can be found below. I am certainly not going to stop focussing on Trump. He may be out of power, but his shadow, and that of the most disastrous 4 years of US politics in my lifetime, looms large over the USA and the world. The attempts to whitewash him, and then resurrect him, must be countered at every turn. Unless and until he is removed from the stage completely he remains a very real danger to our peace and future prosperity.

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The evidence for that was on our TV screens and his Twitter account all the time. He made up policy on the fly and believed himself over any kind of expert advice.

As I have often said I am not a bag man for Biden. He is merely a bridge to the next generation on a road that leads away from Trumpism. His job was done once he ousted Trump. Now the job is to hold that line and ensure that there is no coming back. Whether the next generation is Republican, or Democrat the important thing is to make sure it isn't Trumpism. I have no concerns about that being given pathetic labels to try to discredit it. What matters is that it is achieved. There is as much work to be done within Republican ranks, as within the Democrats. McConnell has a vital role in doing that, as do the GOP members of the House Committee investigating the Jan 6th riot.

I realise I cannot make an ounce of difference alone but single voices who join with others can make enough noise to be noticed. What's important is to ensure the past doesn't get airbrushed out of history, just because the current POTUS faces the challenges that every POTUS does. They are especially problematical right now.

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It's quite something when 'evidence' comes down to your opinion.

The evidence against this idea that Trump made his own policy without advice is so copious I just don't know what to say to you....Even in the anti Trump books, one of which I read, it's clear as day. But you seem incapable to adapting to actual 'evidence'.

Your voice isn't 'joining with others', it's on a Hol football forum....wake up and smell the coffee WE...this is a place for letting off steam and nothing else. If you were serious about 'joining with others' you should be spending time on Twitter or something more mainstream.

The 'GOP' members on the Jan 6th committee have been ostracized from their own party. They won't and don't have any 'anti Trump' influence. To do that you have to carry actual weight in the GOP.

Your understanding of the GOP is extremely wide of the mark. I mean you were actually suggesting Mitt Romney would be a strong contender for post election leadership....I had to mock you then and it's a shame that you still don't have a clue about your political opposites rather than this exaggerated demonisation.

I'm not trying to disappoint you but Trump has far more backing in the GOP now than he even needs to run again....all this irrational hate just makes him stronger in his own party...hardly rocket science. The GOP is a Trump party now and as he's obviously decided to run again they will be right behind him.

He isn't my preferred candidate personally....There are lots of reasons but like I've said in the past I think both Trump and Biden are too old to be heading superpowers, let alone parties....even as figureheads.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

'Body bags will be returning to Moscow' - US govt.

Good grief.