If only.....already the vocal minority are demanding that their rights take precedence. For example, males, claiming to be women, found guilty of sexual offences against women are being placed in women's prisons - a right in law since 2016/7. Despite the fact that very many of the women in there will be vulnerable, having already have been subject to abuse at some point in their lives.

[Link]

As I posted previously, several cases of females-with-a-p**** exposing themselves in changing rooms and NOT being charged because their claim of being female now trumps women's' rights to single-sex spaces (The above mentioned masturbator was actually charged).

This is now all enshrined in Law, and it's not the women (as in adult human female) whose rights are being defended the reality is that they are being diminished at a very rapid rate.

And just don't get me started on whether cranberry juice on sanitary pads or a recovered item from the sanitary waste bin in the Ladies loo provides the most authentic 'menstruation experience'...... you really wouldn't want to go there!

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

Deliberately obtuse.

Is that actually true? This is not something I know too much about, but a quick search suggests that a transgender cannot demand that for themselves. It has to be assessed, accepted and certified. So not really "enshrined in law". When challenged by someone claiming assault the Judge said that there was more evidence that male/female transgenders would be harmed in male prisons than cause harm in female.

So I do think that common sense is trying to be applied, although I guess we are still on a learning curve.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I would have thought that apart from physical assaults the mental effect on female prisoners, many of whom have had bad experiences with men, should be of concern.
Prisons are a different concern to everyday life though - how many people would be genuinely content with a man, however he/she identifies, getting changed next to their daughter or wife at a swimming pool or gym?

Not sure. I reckon one larger bathroom - fully unisex. We have these at work although, it’s fair to say, that the ladies in the office struggle with the concept of sitting in cubicle A, whilst a bloke is in cubicle B etc.
I don’t fully understand why that may be (but I can guess) but it is interesting that the blokes all tend to use one unisex bathroom and the Ladies have all gravitated to the other - thereby creating an unofficial ladies and gents. I suspect neither side would bat an eyelid if a true trans person (rather than a bloke in fancy dress) used either one.

But here’s the thing - if you’re living the life, suffering the unimaginable and extreme mental anguish of being in the wrong body and contemplating a distressing and difficult gender realignment journey etc - then societies full empathy and support should be directed to you.

If, however, you’re just someone that likes dressing up as a woman, gets home and stands up to take a piss then that's a different story.

In my view those jumping on the back of this Guardian reading, gender neutral Sam Smith type s***e are inadvertently causing harm to those that are really struggling with this stuff.

Edited by Helmet46 (08 Jan 2022 8.14am)

Not what he said at all..... He said the risk of sexual assault was greater when the transgender offender was placed in a women's prison than would be the case if it was a non-trans person.

"Holroyde said the statistics were too low and had insufficient detail to provide a safe basis for conclusions, adding: “I can accept, at any rate for present purposes, that the unconditional introduction of a transgender woman into the general population of a women’s prison carries a statistically greater risk of sexual assault upon non-transgender prisoners than would be the case if a non-transgender woman were introduced."

But, the theme is, when it comes to transgender women in sports, lavatories, changing rooms, prisons or indeed anywhere women want and need to feel safe our rights are at the bottom of the list as usual - and from decisions almost inevitably made by men!

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers