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Tickled pink Cornwall 05 Dec 21 5.44pm
Originally posted by Wilbraham413 Ayew should only come off the bench late in a match when we are winning. He's a defensive sub, that's it. Or, you can start him in matches where you have no intention of ever scoring a goal. Schlupp should only come off the bench late in a match when we are losing, and we have no other possible options on the bench. He usually makes one run per appearance, then you never see him again. Benteke should only start when you've given up trying to pass the ball, and you just want to hoof the ball up to him and hope for a lucky bounce to Wilf. The past 2 weeks, PV has bemoaned our lack of finishing, then he starts Ayew, Schlupp, and Benteke. Benteke does nothing, Ayew misses a sitter, and Schlupp passively watches Fred boot in the winning goal right past him. Yes, JMac and Andersen are good players, but we shouldn't look this sh-t. Our bench today was stronger than our starting lineup. It's safe to say that PV has started to lose the plot. Today looked exactly like Royball. Negative lineup, negative football. So what would you have written if Ayew's attempt hadn't just missed but gone in I wonder, it would've altered what happened after and we may have actually won the game, We lost to Villa by one goal a little undeservedly and then did the same away to Leeds, some games are tough and some fans need to get a grip.
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Cornwall 05 Dec 21 5.44pm

Originally posted by Wilbraham413

Ayew should only come off the bench late in a match when we are winning. He's a defensive sub, that's it. Or, you can start him in matches where you have no intention of ever scoring a goal.

Schlupp should only come off the bench late in a match when we are losing, and we have no other possible options on the bench. He usually makes one run per appearance, then you never see him again.

Benteke should only start when you've given up trying to pass the ball, and you just want to hoof the ball up to him and hope for a lucky bounce to Wilf.

The past 2 weeks, PV has bemoaned our lack of finishing, then he starts Ayew, Schlupp, and Benteke. Benteke does nothing, Ayew misses a sitter, and Schlupp passively watches Fred boot in the winning goal right past him.

Yes, JMac and Andersen are good players, but we shouldn't look this sh-t. Our bench today was stronger than our starting lineup. It's safe to say that PV has started to lose the plot. Today looked exactly like Royball. Negative lineup, negative football.

So what would you have written if Ayew's attempt hadn't just missed but gone in I wonder, it would've altered what happened after and we may have actually won the game, We lost to Villa by one goal a little undeservedly and then did the same away to Leeds, some games are tough and some fans need to get a grip.

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dreamwaverider London 05 Dec 21 5.47pm
[quote=Den1923;3680536] Let us not forget that CG could not save WBA or Fulham from the drop and I expect that will also apply to us! hardly surprising. He’s never played for Fulham!!
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[quote=Den1923;3680536]

Let us not forget that CG could not save WBA or Fulham from the drop and I expect that will also apply to us!

hardly surprising. He’s never played for Fulham!!

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1969eagle manchester 05 Dec 21 5.49pm
We really miss Anderson. Makes playing out from the back very difficult. McArthur is also a big miss. Ayew is essential when we are defending against much better sides like United. The big test will be when we have players away for Africa nations cup soon (zaha, schlupp, ayew? Kouyate). But good news is that will be an opp for olise Eze and others to start 🥳
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manchester 05 Dec 21 5.49pm

We really miss Anderson. Makes playing out from the back very difficult. McArthur is also a big miss. Ayew is essential when we are defending against much better sides like United. The big test will be when we have players away for Africa nations cup soon (zaha, schlupp, ayew? Kouyate). But good news is that will be an opp for olise Eze and others to start 🥳

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dreamwaverider London 05 Dec 21 5.52pm
Plan B is urgently required. Don’t ask me what that is. I know we are missing Jimmy and Anderson badly but we have Eze Olise Edouard to name others all ready. We need something different.
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dreamwaverider

London 05 Dec 21 5.52pm

Plan B is urgently required. Don’t ask me what that is. I know we are missing Jimmy and Anderson badly but we have Eze Olise Edouard to name others all ready.
We need something different.

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The Dolphin 05 Dec 21 5.59pm
If Burnley win their game in hand then we are 3 points above the drop zone albeit with a better goal difference. I am worried because we have repeated the same mistakes and played the same misshapen way for 270 mins now. Concerned! Edited by The Dolphin (05 Dec 2021 6.00pm)
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05 Dec 21 5.59pm

If Burnley win their game in hand then we are 3 points above the drop zone albeit with a better goal difference.
I am worried because we have repeated the same mistakes and played the same misshapen way for 270 mins now.
Concerned!

Edited by The Dolphin (05 Dec 2021 6.00pm)

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PatrickA London 05 Dec 21 6.04pm
But Ayew didn't score, as he hasn't supposedly in around the last 30 odd games. To apply this logic you might as well say Ayew cost us 2 points v Brighton as we would have beaten them if Ayew had taken his chance. It's futile to refer to what might have been. Furthermore, we were not unlucky v Villa and deserved to lose against an average side on the day. It's perfectly legitimate to question our recent performances rather than look for weak excuses and be told to 'get a grip.' It is after all a game of opinions and being a supporter doesn't mean not being able to question recent performances or Ayew's goalscoring record. Originally posted by Tickled pink So what would you have written if Ayew's attempt hadn't just missed but gone in I wonder, it would've altered what happened after and we may have actually won the game, We lost to Villa by one goal a little undeservedly and then did the same away to Leeds, some games are tough and some fans need to get a grip.
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PatrickA

London 05 Dec 21 6.04pm

But Ayew didn't score, as he hasn't supposedly in around the last 30 odd games.
To apply this logic you might as well say Ayew cost us 2 points v Brighton as we would have beaten them if Ayew had taken his chance. It's futile to refer to what might have been.
Furthermore, we were not unlucky v Villa and deserved to lose against an average side on the day.
It's perfectly legitimate to question our recent performances rather than look for weak excuses and be told to 'get a grip.'
It is after all a game of opinions and being a supporter doesn't mean not being able to question recent performances or Ayew's goalscoring record.

Originally posted by Tickled pink

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eritheagle Erith 05 Dec 21 6.58pm
I think Ayew may have been offside even if he had scored.
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Erith 05 Dec 21 6.58pm

I think Ayew may have been offside even if he had scored.

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Hannes Vienna 05 Dec 21 7.00pm
Originally posted by eritheagle I think Ayew may have been offside even if he had scored. This was also my first impression.
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Hannes

Vienna 05 Dec 21 7.00pm

Originally posted by eritheagle

I think Ayew may have been offside even if he had scored.

This was also my first impression.

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kennybrowns leftfoot Reigate 05 Dec 21 7.18pm
Originally posted by eritheagle I think Ayew may have been offside even if he had scored. No he wasn't. 2 others were who, if they had got a touch on it would meant it would of been disallowed but Ayew was fine. Don't waste your time with jealousy. Sometimes your ahead, sometimes your behind, the race is long. But in the end it's only with yourself!!
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Originally posted by eritheagle

I think Ayew may have been offside even if he had scored.

No he wasn't. 2 others were who, if they had got a touch on it would meant it would of been disallowed but Ayew was fine.

Don't waste your time with jealousy. Sometimes your ahead, sometimes your behind, the race is long. But in the end it's only with yourself!!

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Eaglecoops CR3 05 Dec 21 7.22pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle We miss them but it's more than that. We have been worked out, as we always would be. We are being pressed before we can press. Gallagher has been recognised as our main creative player and the link we always look for and he is being given no time and crowded out. This is now a real challenge for our management team. We weren't just second best today, we were third or fourth best. The ref and the crowd played better and we were lucky to get 0 goals the lack of belief we showed. As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with you, although we should be fitting Eze into the team who will put a foot on it and lift his head, something Kouyate struggles with.
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CR3 05 Dec 21 7.22pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We miss them but it's more than that. We have been worked out, as we always would be. We are being pressed before we can press. Gallagher has been recognised as our main creative player and the link we always look for and he is being given no time and crowded out. This is now a real challenge for our management team. We weren't just second best today, we were third or fourth best. The ref and the crowd played better and we were lucky to get 0 goals the lack of belief we showed.

As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with you, although we should be fitting Eze into the team who will put a foot on it and lift his head, something Kouyate struggles with.

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ATL Eagle Atlanta 05 Dec 21 7.24pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle We miss them but it's more than that. We have been worked out, as we always would be. We are being pressed before we can press. Gallagher has been recognised as our main creative player and the link we always look for and he is being given no time and crowded out. This is now a real challenge for our management team. We weren't just second best today, we were third or fourth best. The ref and the crowd played better and we were lucky to get 0 goals the lack of belief we showed. Basically agree with this analysis. And the lack of Andersen as the one player in the back line who wants to push up and can pass with pinpoint accuracy. And Jimmy Mac being an attack dog in midfield. Wilf and Benteke are history. They need to be dropped, because they are not playing for the team. They are playing for themselves. Ayew is partially guilty of this too. Olise needs to start but maybe someone should tell him his dead balls should clear the first defender.
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ATL Eagle

Atlanta 05 Dec 21 7.24pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Basically agree with this analysis.
And the lack of Andersen as the one player in the back line who wants to push up and can pass with pinpoint accuracy.
And Jimmy Mac being an attack dog in midfield.

Wilf and Benteke are history. They need to be dropped, because they are not playing for the team. They are playing for themselves. Ayew is partially guilty of this too.
Olise needs to start but maybe someone should tell him his dead balls should clear the first defender.

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ATL Eagle Atlanta 05 Dec 21 7.25pm
Kouyaté. I love him, and he loves Palace. But he is playing Royball. Can PV teach him to turn with the ball and look to play it forwards? If not, he has to go too.
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ATL Eagle

Atlanta 05 Dec 21 7.25pm

Kouyaté. I love him, and he loves Palace. But he is playing Royball. Can PV teach him to turn with the ball and look to play it forwards? If not, he has to go too.

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