This 'they didn't shoot first so didn't plan on harming anyone' angle is a dreamt up elimination of the majority of the events that took place that day. Multiple pipe bombs were scattered around, which police were soon made aware of, so I would suggest that they had plenty of reason for concern already. Several officers were attacked and badly beaten trying to stop those entering the building (is this non violent? [Link] and throwing a fire extinguisher at someones head? ). The idea that this situation wasn't threatening, when a violent mob of people entered a government building with various weapons (guns, tasers) and restraints, while some stated that they intended to kill and hang those inside, is ludicrous.

They breached multiple layers of security in their path, and tried to gain access through a barricaded door to politicians in the chamber, who were justifiably escaping the area, with many in fear of their lives. And why wouldn't they since it's perfectly reasonable to assume that some of those there that day would've physically attacking them. That all of this shouldn't be deemed a dangerous or hostile act is of course absurd. By the logic stated, even if they'd have reached politicians (which clearly they almost did - and would've if allowed) and attacked them there would have apparently been no justification for doing much of anything about that anyway if not shots had been fired.

There is no getting away from the fact that anyone dying on that day was a tragedy and it's truly unfortunate that someone who was clearly brainwashed and tagging along with those behaving in more disturbing and terroristic ways was the person who paid the price. We can't remove the mob context behind it though as it is key to what happened that day. It's part of the reason many states have complicity of accomplice laws. There are certain situations it is very dangerous or very ill advised to put yourself in due to what is going on around you. It goes without saying that this was one of them.

Edited by BlueJay (25 Oct 2021 3.15pm)

As I've stated anyone who was violent that day deserved the appropriate police action and I don't defend them. I also agree that no one should have been in that building. Most stayed outside and protested......the whole event was pointless and I suspect we haven't heard the full story, which I doubt is what I think the Democrats want to believe.

The fact remains that the vast majority of people weren't violent including the woman whose's life was ended.

The pipe bombs being referred to were placed at both republican and democrat headquarters the night before and so far there doesn't appear to be much information on who did it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Who staged it and for what reason?

Who was in on it?

Even if you're going to entertain that notion, then at best you can say the Capitol police allowed it to happen - that's still a big step from claiming the whole event is staged.

But ultimately, any level of common sense would tell you the capitol police would not allow nor encourage thousands of armed lunatics into the building - you just need to watch the footage of the clashes which took place over hours to see it's a nonsense

Unless the argument is now that the Capitol police allowed it, but ensured 140 of their officers suffered injury in the process and engaged in really violent clashes to make it look believable.

Completely illogical

Right, but screwing up is completely different from something being staged.

I have been watching some footage since yesterday and yes there was more violence than I initially thought. None of that was acceptable.....however those who weren't violent simply don't deserve to be locked up let alone locked up in solitary confinement.

The Democrats were quite happy with rioting by their 'in-groups' for 18 months. They were fine with refusing to prosecute rioters and looters. Funny how they showed such concern for Police at the capitol (who protect them) when they have been selling the general Police out for years......so much for defund the police.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Oct 2021 1.04pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)