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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 09 Dec 18 3.19pm
Originally posted by rikz We all know boxing is a business but when fans start trying to justify fights not getting made due to, a side b side, politics and whatever, is when we might aswell call it a day. Unless you're fighting, promoting or receiving any kind of payment from the event then as fans all we should do is demand the best fight the best. Yeah it's a business but a business they need the public to buy into. All three have made more than enough already. now it's down to fans to constantly put pressure on the promoters to make the fights. To be fair to aj I think he's pretty game and would go in with either fury or wilder and obviously Hearn being a promoter he would be stupid to risk his cash cow. But as a boxing fan all I care about is them fighting each other. Fury is in a pretty strong position now tho and if I was him I'd look at taking step aside money with first dibs on the winner, let wilder and Joshua fight for all the belts, have another fight in the meantime giving himself even more time to get in shape then late next year he will have either a massive rematch for all the belts or the biggest British fight of all time. He can't really lose. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Croydon 09 Dec 18 3.19pm

Originally posted by rikz

We all know boxing is a business but when fans start trying to justify fights not getting made due to, a side b side, politics and whatever, is when we might aswell call it a day. Unless you're fighting, promoting or receiving any kind of payment from the event then as fans all we should do is demand the best fight the best. Yeah it's a business but a business they need the public to buy into. All three have made more than enough already. now it's down to fans to constantly put pressure on the promoters to make the fights.

To be fair to aj I think he's pretty game and would go in with either fury or wilder and obviously Hearn being a promoter he would be stupid to risk his cash cow. But as a boxing fan all I care about is them fighting each other.

Fury is in a pretty strong position now tho and if I was him I'd look at taking step aside money with first dibs on the winner, let wilder and Joshua fight for all the belts, have another fight in the meantime giving himself even more time to get in shape then late next year he will have either a massive rematch for all the belts or the biggest British fight of all time. He can't really lose.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 09 Dec 18 3.24pm
Agree with this. To be honest I don't think any of these three are ducking the others and expect all these fights to be made over the next couple of years. It's similar times to the nineties when we last had a batch of great heavyweights around at the same time. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Tom-the-eagle

Croydon 09 Dec 18 3.24pm

Agree with this.

To be honest I don't think any of these three are ducking the others and expect all these fights to be made over the next couple of years.

It's similar times to the nineties when we last had a batch of great heavyweights around at the same time.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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Casual Orpington 09 Dec 18 4.12pm
Originally posted by rikz We all know boxing is a business but when fans start trying to justify fights not getting made due to, a side b side, politics and whatever, is when we might aswell call it a day. Unless you're fighting, promoting or receiving any kind of payment from the event then as fans all we should do is demand the best fight the best. Yeah it's a business but a business they need the public to buy into. All three have made more than enough already. now it's down to fans to constantly put pressure on the promoters to make the fights. To be fair to aj I think he's pretty game and would go in with either fury or wilder and obviously Hearn being a promoter he would be stupid to risk his cash cow. But as a boxing fan all I care about is them fighting each other. Fury is in a pretty strong position now tho and if I was him I'd look at taking step aside money with first dibs on the winner, let wilder and Joshua fight for all the belts, have another fight in the meantime giving himself even more time to get in shape then late next year he will have either a massive rematch for all the belts or the biggest British fight of all time. He can't really lose. I agree I’d love to see a super 6 tournament, but in real life if you bring more to the table , you deserve more money. Otherwise Zaha and puncheon would be on the same wages. Some boxers are deluded, like Khan , wanting a bigger split than Brook. But AJ fills stadiums, sells PPVs and has 3 of the 4 belts, Frank Warren can keep saying ‘these are the best 2 heavyweights on the planet’, about Wilder and fury, but he knows it isn’t true.
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Orpington 09 Dec 18 4.12pm

Originally posted by rikz

I agree I’d love to see a super 6 tournament, but in real life if you bring more to the table , you deserve more money. Otherwise Zaha and puncheon would be on the same wages.
Some boxers are deluded, like Khan , wanting a bigger split than Brook. But AJ fills stadiums, sells PPVs and has 3 of the 4 belts, Frank Warren can keep saying ‘these are the best 2 heavyweights on the planet’, about Wilder and fury, but he knows it isn’t true.

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rikz Croydon 09 Dec 18 4.38pm
Originally posted by Casual I agree I’d love to see a super 6 tournament, but in real life if you bring more to the table , you deserve more money. Otherwise Zaha and puncheon would be on the same wages. Some boxers are deluded, like Khan , wanting a bigger split than Brook. But AJ fills stadiums, sells PPVs and has 3 of the 4 belts, Frank Warren can keep saying ‘these are the best 2 heavyweights on the planet’, about Wilder and fury, but he knows it isn’t true. I get what you're saying and agree but in all fairness to wilder, it's only down to where they're all born, which seems crazy being a young black American you would expect him to bring the money. The UK has taken over in recent years. It's not easy to get on ppv as an American, alot harder than UK fighters, I think ward only had 2 fights on ppv and was head and shoulders the best p4p boxer but the American public are quite hard to win around. Especially now with DANZ being launched in America and canelo as their marquee signing I think ppv in the states is all but dead. Wilder has done what's asked of him so far, albeit he got a dodgy draw but I'd rank ortiz as dangerous as anyone so just having him on his record is not bad alongside his knockout percentage. I think he deserves a bit of pull and respect when it comes to negotiations with Hearn. Of course Joshua is the a side but atleast offer the guy a decent enough amount to come over here and give us fans in the UK a massive fight. We've backed Joshua massively in this country if it takes giving just a couple more percent to wilder to make it happen then they should get it done.
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rikz

Croydon 09 Dec 18 4.38pm

Originally posted by Casual

I get what you're saying and agree but in all fairness to wilder, it's only down to where they're all born, which seems crazy being a young black American you would expect him to bring the money. The UK has taken over in recent years. It's not easy to get on ppv as an American, alot harder than UK fighters, I think ward only had 2 fights on ppv and was head and shoulders the best p4p boxer but the American public are quite hard to win around. Especially now with DANZ being launched in America and canelo as their marquee signing I think ppv in the states is all but dead.

Wilder has done what's asked of him so far, albeit he got a dodgy draw but I'd rank ortiz as dangerous as anyone so just having him on his record is not bad alongside his knockout percentage. I think he deserves a bit of pull and respect when it comes to negotiations with Hearn. Of course Joshua is the a side but atleast offer the guy a decent enough amount to come over here and give us fans in the UK a massive fight. We've backed Joshua massively in this country if it takes giving just a couple more percent to wilder to make it happen then they should get it done.

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youngpalacefan111 09 Dec 18 9.54pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger No. He just wasn't going to be suckered into a fight in America where he would be cheated out of his belts. A wise decision. I was being sarcastic, only a moron would think AJ is the ducker out of him and Wilder. The fight didn't happen because Wilder refused the £15mill guaranteed offer, called it a slave contract and wanted a split on the PPV instead. Funny thing is he didn't make £15mill in this fight against Fury.
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09 Dec 18 9.54pm

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No. He just wasn't going to be suckered into a fight in America where he would be cheated out of his belts. A wise decision.

I was being sarcastic, only a moron would think AJ is the ducker out of him and Wilder. The fight didn't happen because Wilder refused the £15mill guaranteed offer, called it a slave contract and wanted a split on the PPV instead. Funny thing is he didn't make £15mill in this fight against Fury.

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