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 PalazioVecchio  south pole 12 Feb 18 7.55pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
Isn't the word feminista? But Dan, this proves my point. Try to point out inconsistencies in the treatment of minorities and look what happens. Anyone with a view left of a frothing right wing Brexit UKIP member just gets insulted, and these people are so far up their own arses that they can't handle a piss take. There is no point now trying to debate a real topic, relevant to the majority of the UK the posting is to unbalanced. Some as can be seen, some froth at the mouth so bad and take their prejudice politics so seriously, they have to little PMs to each other slagging centralist or left wing posters. Beginning to understand the level of abuse Nick was subject to on this site. This is nothing but a fascist echo chamber. For example, geneticists say the some of the first people out of Africa who made to Ancient Britain had coloured skin. Not a surprise for me, paradigm breaking for others i thought we were wearing the smiley/jokey mask ? an all just having a laugh. Wow, now it appears the mask has slipped and we have the gorgon Maz-dusa beneath ? and anyway, is that other website based in Norbury ? Edited by PalazioVecchio (12 Feb 2018 7.58pm)
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 12 Feb 18 7.58pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm still in shock that Pefwin thinks he/she is a 'classical liberal'......'classical fruitcake' more like. I'm a 'classical liberal' Pefwin.....get off my lawn! No, I am, and blessed are the Cheesemakers. OK this is from Hunt, but... * A government to protect individual rights for all and to provide services that cannot be provided in a free market It isn't Victorian "splendid isolationism", or based on Georgian cultural mores on race. Edited by pefwin (12 Feb 2018 8.00pm)
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 12 Feb 18 7.59pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
i thought we were wearing the smiley/jokey mask ? an all just having a laugh. Wow, now it appears the mask has slipped and we have the gorgon Maz-dusa beneath ? and anyway, is that other website based in Norbury ? Edited by PalazioVecchio (12 Feb 2018 7.58pm)
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Stirlingsays  12 Feb 18 8.20pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
No, I am, and blessed are the Cheesemakers. OK this is from Hunt, but... * A government to protect individual rights for all and to provide services that cannot be provided in a free market It isn't Victorian "splendid isolationism", or based on Georgian cultural mores on race. Edited by pefwin (12 Feb 2018 8.00pm) Sure, these are what I would call some tenets of 'classical liberalism'. I'm apart of the new liberalist movement. You see there....it says 'laws to protect citizens'.....not groups. What did you call yourself, 'a feminist'....looks like we have a corruption right there. Third wave feminism isn't Classical liberalism. Both of them believe in 'protected classes' instead of treating people as individuals. These movements are huge reinterpretations of classical liberalism. It isn't classical liberalism......Get off my lawn....you have weeds to attend to.
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 12 Feb 18 9.00pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Sure, these are what I would call some tenets of 'classical liberalism'. I'm apart of the new liberalist movement. You see there....it says 'laws to protect citizens'.....not groups. What did you call yourself, 'a feminist'....looks like we have a corruption right there. Third wave feminism isn't Classical liberalism. Both of them believe in 'protected classes' instead of treating people as individuals. These movements are huge reinterpretations of classical liberalism. It isn't classical liberalism. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Feb 2018 8.41pm) ....but that is not what i said. At least you no longer believe you are a classic liberalist but a "new liberaist" which is totally different. to enforce, whenever possible, such conditions of employment as the public conscience approves as just, to improve the surroundings of working-class life, to render the resources of education equally available for the poor and the rich, to alleviate the miseries of unemployment and the destitution of the old, to reform the system of land tenure, to take under public control any industry which it is found can be managed in that way with greater advantage to the community, and to provide a fair standard of comfort for all who are in State employ. Herbert Louis Samuel That's getting close to Neo-Marxism. I am confused as Liberals are generally progressive and open. Perhaps you are looking for the word libertarian, and if you are listening to a diet of US You Tube channels : Republican Libertarian similar to the Tea Party
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| Stirlingsays 12 Feb 18 9.15pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
....but that is not what i said. At least you no longer believe you are a classic liberalist but a "new liberaist" which is totally different. to enforce, whenever possible, such conditions of employment as the public conscience approves as just, to improve the surroundings of working-class life, to render the resources of education equally available for the poor and the rich, to alleviate the miseries of unemployment and the destitution of the old, to reform the system of land tenure, to take under public control any industry which it is found can be managed in that way with greater advantage to the community, and to provide a fair standard of comfort for all who are in State employ. Herbert Louis Samuel That's getting close to Neo-Marxism. I am confused as Liberals are generally progressive and open. Perhaps you are looking for the word libertarian, and if you are listening to a diet of US You Tube channels : Republican Libertarian similar to the Tea Party
I would describe that extract as neo Marxism and certainly not the classical liberalism I recognise. Here is the website and its principles. I think in your post you seem to equate liberalism with progressivism.....This is probably because you see through the 'social justice' lens. Classicial liberalism isn't progressism and it isn't feminism......The modern day movements have simply stolen the original concepts and adapted it for their own purposes. Perhaps we are now doing that as well......One thing is for sure, we will be closer to the original than you lot of bed wetters.
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| Jamesrichards8 12 Feb 18 9.24pm |
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Typical ‘convenient truth’ used by liberals which contradicts their other logic. If we’re going back to oriental history, then the ‘native american’ population, whose displacement by europeans horrifies the left, have no right to stake a claim on North America since they only recently (14000 years ago) immigrated from Asia. Are we talking about modern history and modern culture? yes. then immigrants are ruining a culture we hold dear. end of. Sorry for my real logic
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| Mapletree Croydon 13 Feb 18 10.12am |
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Originally posted by Jamesrichards8
Typical ‘convenient truth’ used by liberals which contradicts their other logic. If we’re going back to oriental history, then the ‘native american’ population, whose displacement by europeans horrifies the left, have no right to stake a claim on North America since they only recently (14000 years ago) immigrated from Asia. Are we talking about modern history and modern culture? yes. then immigrants are ruining a culture we hold dear. end of. Sorry for my real logic Hmm. So our 'culture' is a static thing being 'ruined' by change. How long does a culture last? Do you believe our 1970s culture (or whichever you think is being ruined) was the pinnacle of Man's development then? I see change in all areas of life. Yes, immigration is one driver but then it always has been for as far back as we have records. It may be accelerating now but it was always there. There are numerous posters on this site that have a fascination around immigration and social change in general. It is clear they don't like change, can't surf on the wave and will resist change with all their might. Many have moved away from our local area, apparently in a bid to avoid social change. I can only feel sorry for those around them who must have either to agree with each and every set view of such individuals or face a constant haranguing - as we also face on the HOL. The lack of tolerance, understanding and living happily with change is incredibly depressing. To me that is a sad waste of their lives and energy. Canute the Great taught us well with his rather astute allegory. I suggest that such people may wish to start working on time machines pretty quickly (or move to Rustington).
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europalace  Europe 13 Feb 18 10.18am |
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Originally posted by Jamesrichards8
Typical ‘convenient truth’ used by liberals which contradicts their other logic. If we’re going back to oriental history, then the ‘native american’ population, whose displacement by europeans horrifies the left, have no right to stake a claim on North America since they only recently (14000 years ago) immigrated from Asia. Are we talking about modern history and modern culture? yes. then immigrants are ruining a culture we hold dear. end of. Sorry for my real logic What culture does the UK 'hold dear'?
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| Midlands Eagle 13 Feb 18 10.57am |
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Originally posted by europalace
What culture does the UK 'hold dear'? I have no wish to enter this argument but surely you can work out the answer to your question yourself
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 13 Feb 18 11.36am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Sure, these are what I would call some tenets of 'classical liberalism'. I'm apart of the new liberalist movement. You see there....it says 'laws to protect citizens'.....not groups. What did you call yourself, 'a feminist'....looks like we have a corruption right there. Third wave feminism isn't Classical liberalism. Both of them believe in 'protected classes' instead of treating people as individuals. These movements are huge reinterpretations of classical liberalism. It isn't classical liberalism......Get off my lawn....you have weeds to attend to.
All modern equivalents of Liberalism which hark back to the 'classical' strain are appropriations though. Yours is absolutely no exception. If you believe feminism, for example, to be detached from classical liberalism, how do you account for JS Mill - surely one of the leading proponents of 19th century liberalism - publishing and fiercely advocating this: [Link] Looking at the principles of the Liberalist Society you posted, I think many classical liberals - Locke, Smith, Riccardo - would have very different views on what those terms would mean. Locke, for instance, facilitated slavery in North Carolina on the board of Plantation Owners. I have a question for you though. How do you square your commitment to nationalism with your advocacy of individual rights? At the minute, national and international (European) borders are refusing passage to tens of thousands of refugees fleeing persecution. Their rights as individuals - as well as their rights to 'blind justice', to 'self-reliance' and most probably to 'freedom of speech - is being relegated beneath the collective rights of nation states to dictate who is and isn't worthy of protection. Over the next decades, I dare say that this will become a much bigger contradiction as the numbers fleeing environmental devastation increases. Liberals - for all their supposed commitment to noble values - will have to decide which side of the fence they are on. So what about you?
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| europalace Europe 13 Feb 18 11.55am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I have no wish to enter this argument but surely you can work out the answer to your question yourself
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