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.TUX. Flag 07 Nov 17 7.32pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

I don't see what the fuss is all about. There's nothing new about successful people managing there finances in a way that puts themselves and their families first. Any sane person would do the same.

It's just jealous Corbynista's with an outrageous sense of entitlement trying to get their greedy hands on other people's hard earned money.

I can't condem anyone, except for Bono, who is a hypocritical t***.

Really? You know this as fact?
And while we're here, please define ''hard earned''.

 


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Pikester Flag Worthing 07 Nov 17 7.35pm Send a Private Message to Pikester Add Pikester as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

I'm more concerned about Mrs. Brown's crimes against comedy.

I think this is the more relevant point - the BBC actually paid them to produce that s***.

Tax them? They should be hung!

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 07 Nov 17 8.17pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by npn

Never claimed it was - so make it illegal, or tax the cash on repatriation. The idea that people would not follow a financial expert's advice (on something they don't really understand) because it's the "right thing to do" is just silly. I do a tax return every year, I am honest and above board on it, and it tells me what I owe or what they owe me, then I pay it (or occasionally they pay me). If a bank says to me "invest in this product, it's called an ISA, and it's tax free", an IFA says "pump more money into your pension, you'll save loads of tax", or Delboy Trotter's Offshore investments says "this product returns x% and is completely legal and tax free" are all largely the same to me - I'm being advised by subject matter experts on what is best for me financially.

In the same way that I never receive a tax demand and say "no, I think you've done excellent work spending my taxes, and I'm feeling a bit flush, so don't take £1,000, have £2,000" I'm not going to second guess experts on tax liability. If it's offensive to people, then change the rules to make it no longer a legal option, it's that simple.

Incidentally, I don't have any offshore investments except whatever may be in my pension pot and/or ISA plans, so I'm not directly affected, just to declare my position, but I find it harsh to vilify people as immoral for doing something totally legal that they almost certainly don't fully understand on the advice of a paid expert employed to advise them.

You laid your cards on the table in your post and that honesty is to your credit in my view.

My point was more general than aimed specifically at you as what you do with your hard earned cash is, if legal, none of my business.

I agree with you that many people with cash just offload investment decisions to paid 'experts' and aren't aware or want to know about the details.

However, ignorance, while a valid excuse is also a weak one when all was required was direction from the invester for more ethical pursuits than necessarily effective ones.

I know I'm being totally unrealistic there...because the market is red in tooth and craw and in reality that's how it will always work if unfetted by regulation.

Still, I think we should still speak out if we think the system allows unfairness and if people choose to benefit from it.

A kind of fiscal swings and roundabouts.

 


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.TUX. Flag 07 Nov 17 8.36pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You laid your cards on the table in your post and that honesty is to your credit in my view.

My point was more general than aimed specifically at you as what you do with your hard earned cash is, if legal, none of my business.

I agree with you that many people with cash just offload investment decisions to paid 'experts' and aren't aware or want to know about the details.

However, ignorance, while a valid excuse is also a weak one when all was required was direction from the invester for more ethical pursuits than necessarily effective ones.

I know I'm being totally unrealistic there...because the market is red in tooth and craw and in reality that's how it will always work if unfetted by regulation.

Still, I think we should still speak out if we think the system allows unfairness and if people choose to benefit from it.

A kind of fiscal swings and roundabouts.

Agreed.

 


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jeeagles Flag 07 Nov 17 8.39pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Really? You know this as fact?
And while we're here, please define ''hard earned''.

Yep it's an absolute 100% fact Everyone gets so outraged by these stories that the media whip up. It makes you forget that you're only life is probably pretty good and what other people get up to is their business and largely irrelevant to your own happiness. Dispite this, in today's social media world, it gives some people an opportunity to get one their moral high horse and other to try any make out they are more caring than anyone else.

If people really felt that the government needed more money to squander they should donate it out of their own pocket first before moaning about others. But no one has done that ever.

People always ask to "define hard work" just so they can come out with some self pity story about how they deserve more money than other people. I didn't say you don't work hard either. I just said that they did and they shouldn't be forced to hand it over just because you want them too based on something you saw on the telly one time.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 07 Nov 17 8.42pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

Yep it's an absolute 100% fact Everyone gets so outraged by these stories that the media whip up. It makes you forget that you're only life is probably pretty good and what other people get up to is their business and largely irrelevant to your own happiness. Dispite this, in today's social media world, it gives some people an opportunity to get one their moral high horse and other to try any make out they are more caring than anyone else.

If people really felt that the government needed more money to squander they should donate it out of their own pocket first before moaning about others. But no one has done that ever.

People always ask to "define hard work" just so they can come out with some self pity story about how they deserve more money than other people. I didn't say you don't work hard either. I just said that they did and they shouldn't be forced to hand it over just because you want them too based on something you saw on the telly one time.


Through loopholes they are avoiding tax which could have gone to any number of areas in need.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 07 Nov 17 9.53pm

Originally posted by nickgusset


Through loopholes they are avoiding tax which could have gone to any number of areas in need.

What like subsidising opera? Setting up some more Quangos? A few more support organisations for people who think they are the wrong gender? Some more multi-culturalism is so great propaganda producers?

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 07 Nov 17 10.00pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

What like subsidising opera? Setting up some more Quangos? A few more support organisations for people who think they are the wrong gender? Some more multi-culturalism is so great propaganda producers?


None of the above.

Try money to help alleviate:
Chronic underfunding in schools, council budgets slashed, millions in poverty despite being in full time work, not enough emergency service personnel, libraries closing, cuts to disability services.

 

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leifandersonshair Flag Newport 07 Nov 17 10.00pm Send a Private Message to leifandersonshair Add leifandersonshair as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

What like subsidising opera? Setting up some more Quangos? A few more support organisations for people who think they are the wrong gender? Some more multi-culturalism is so great propaganda producers?

How about the NHS and schools? Armed forces perhaps? Really, pretty much anything

 

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Mr Palaceman Flag 07 Nov 17 10.14pm Send a Private Message to Mr Palaceman Add Mr Palaceman as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

I'm more concerned about Mrs. Brown's crimes against comedy.

HA... I thought I was the only one. HATE that show.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 07 Nov 17 10.15pm

You guys just think endlessly throwing money at problems solves them. You would pour unlimited amounts of money into your sacred cows like the NHS. You think the state should run everything and interfere even more in our lives despite the state being inefficient, wasteful and incapable of producing what people really want. You welcome ever more 'government' - regional assemblies with nice new expensive 'parliaments' raising yet more taxes. You pine for the EU with its massive cost and bureaucracy. More and more Quangos and advisory bodies trying to control us and what we think. We need less tax and less government.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 07 Nov 17 10.17pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

You guys just think endlessly throwing money at problems solves them. You would pour unlimited amounts of money into your sacred cows like the NHS. You think the state should run everything and interfere even more in our lives despite the state being inefficient, wasteful and incapable of producing what people really want. You welcome ever more 'government' - regional assemblies with nice new expensive 'parliaments' raising yet more taxes. You pine for the EU with its massive cost and bureaucracy. More and more Quangos and advisory bodies trying to control us and what we think. We need less tax and less government.

Do we?

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