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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Nov 17 2.27pm
Originally posted by serial thriller It has been done with great success throughout the past 300 years mate! It's the reason why you and me are having this conversation and living in a quiet, peaceful society compared with most of human history. Were we born at nearly any point previously, we'd probably be in genuine poverty, or dying young of a horrible disease or in battle. Are there people who are ungrateful? Of course! But what percentage of the refugees now living in, say, Germany or Sweden, are engaging in terrorism, and what percentage are working hard to provide for their families and their new society? A lot of mixed arguments there. We lead comfortable lives because of capitalism and the byproduct of technology. It only takes a small amount of angry young men to kill a lot of people. The fact that the majority are just trying to survive is beside the point. In the long term, a policy of allowing an increasing flow of refugees to come here is not sustainable. We must legislate for increasing population and the strife that will bring before we hit a crisis point. It is only logical.
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Originally posted by serial thriller

It has been done with great success throughout the past 300 years mate! It's the reason why you and me are having this conversation and living in a quiet, peaceful society compared with most of human history. Were we born at nearly any point previously, we'd probably be in genuine poverty, or dying young of a horrible disease or in battle.

Are there people who are ungrateful? Of course! But what percentage of the refugees now living in, say, Germany or Sweden, are engaging in terrorism, and what percentage are working hard to provide for their families and their new society?

A lot of mixed arguments there. We lead comfortable lives because of capitalism and the byproduct of technology.
It only takes a small amount of angry young men to kill a lot of people. The fact that the majority are just trying to survive is beside the point.

In the long term, a policy of allowing an increasing flow of refugees to come here is not sustainable. We must legislate for increasing population and the strife that will bring before we hit a crisis point. It is only logical.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 04 Nov 17 2.33pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Red Army Group and affiliates and, arguably, The Yakuza "Although the 1995 Tokyo subway sarin attack probably was the most widely reported terrorist event in Japan to date (5,500 injured, 12 dead), the country has suffered numerous other large terrorism-related events in recent decades, including bombings of the headquarters of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries in Tokyo in 1974 (207 injured, 8 dead), the Hokkaido Prefectural Government office building in Sapporo in 1976 (80 injured, 2 dead), and the Yosakoi-Soran Festival in Sapporo in 2000 (10 injured, none dead). Japan also has experienced two other mass-casualty terrorist events involving chemical releases, including the 1994 Matsumoto sarin attack (600 injured, 7 dead) and the 1998 Wakayama arsenic incident (67 injured, 4 dead). Until 1995, emergency management in Japan focused on planning and preparedness at the local level for the frequent disasters caused by natural events. Since that time, substantial progress has been made in advancing emergency planning and preparedness for terrorism-related events, including the designation of disaster centers in each prefecture, the implementation of several education and training programs for nuclear, biological, and chemical terrorism, and the establishment of a national Anti terrorism Office within the Ministry of Health, Labor, and Welfare." A published Paper. The Yakuza? You are slanting the argument a bit bringing them in. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 04 Nov 17 2.33pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Red Army Group and affiliates and, arguably, The Yakuza

"Although the 1995 Tokyo subway sarin attack probably was the most widely reported terrorist event in Japan to date (5,500 injured, 12 dead), the country has suffered numerous other large terrorism-related events in recent decades, including bombings of the headquarters of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries in Tokyo in 1974 (207 injured, 8 dead), the Hokkaido Prefectural Government office building in Sapporo in 1976 (80 injured, 2 dead), and the Yosakoi-Soran Festival in Sapporo in 2000 (10 injured, none dead). Japan also has experienced two other mass-casualty terrorist events involving chemical releases, including the 1994 Matsumoto sarin attack (600 injured, 7 dead) and the 1998 Wakayama arsenic incident (67 injured, 4 dead). Until 1995, emergency management in Japan focused on planning and preparedness at the local level for the frequent disasters caused by natural events. Since that time, substantial progress has been made in advancing emergency planning and preparedness for terrorism-related events, including the designation of disaster centers in each prefecture, the implementation of several education and training programs for nuclear, biological, and chemical terrorism, and the establishment of a national Anti terrorism Office within the Ministry of Health, Labor, and Welfare."

A published Paper.

The Yakuza? You are slanting the argument a bit bringing them in.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Nov 17 2.37pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 The Yakuza? You are slanting the argument a bit bringing them in. Hmm...
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Shizzlehurst 04 Nov 17 2.37pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

The Yakuza? You are slanting the argument a bit bringing them in.

Hmm...

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cryrst The garden of England 04 Nov 17 2.38pm
Somewhat ironic that we as a human race are living in the most peaceful time in our modern history reference wars and conflict.
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The garden of England 04 Nov 17 2.38pm

Somewhat ironic that we as a human race are living in the most peaceful time in our modern history reference wars and conflict.

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silvertop Portishead 04 Nov 17 2.56pm
Originally posted by Willo Hrolf You and I are 'Birds' on the same twig. Eugh! My stomach turns at the immorality of your collective view. Truly disgusting. 30,000 i could almost see your view. However, 3000 kids you could introduce into one london borough and barely notice it. Seriously, your view echos those who were vigorously opposed to taking in jewish refugee children before the war. Vile.
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Portishead 04 Nov 17 2.56pm

Originally posted by Willo

Hrolf

You and I are 'Birds' on the same twig.

Eugh! My stomach turns at the immorality of your collective view. Truly disgusting. 30,000 i could almost see your view. However, 3000 kids you could introduce into one london borough and barely notice it. Seriously, your view echos those who were vigorously opposed to taking in jewish refugee children before the war. Vile.

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elgrande bedford 04 Nov 17 3.03pm
Originally posted by silvertop Eugh! My stomach turns at the immorality of your collective view. Truly disgusting. 30,000 i could almost see your view. However, 3000 kids you could introduce into one london borough and barely notice it. Seriously, your view echos those who were vigorously opposed to taking in jewish refugee children before the war. Vile. Really name the borough,and what about tbe 65,000 children already in care.....no one is saying (well i am not),that some should not be taken. But really that is a massively over hyped statement. Or are British children second class citizens. That should be denied a lovingp caring family. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 04 Nov 17 3.03pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Really name the borough,and what about tbe 65,000 children already in care.....no one is saying (well i am not),that some should not be taken.
But really that is a massively over hyped statement.

Or are British children second class citizens. That should be denied a lovingp caring family.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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johnno42000 04 Nov 17 3.13pm
Originally posted by elgrande Really name the borough,and what about tbe 65,000 children already in care.....no one is saying (well i am not),that some should not be taken. But really that is a massively over hyped statement. Or are British children second class citizens. That should be denied a lovingp caring family. Why does one have to be at the expense of the other? I'm guessing the 65,000 are either in care or fostered. If so that is an incredible improvement for the 3,000 who are living in the camps. 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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04 Nov 17 3.13pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Really name the borough,and what about tbe 65,000 children already in care.....no one is saying (well i am not),that some should not be taken.
But really that is a massively over hyped statement.

Or are British children second class citizens. That should be denied a lovingp caring family.

Why does one have to be at the expense of the other? I'm guessing the 65,000 are either in care or fostered. If so that is an incredible improvement for the 3,000 who are living in the camps.

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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Stirlingsays 04 Nov 17 3.16pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Anyone who can say to a tent-dwelling, cold, homeless, traumatised and orphaned 10 year old to her face 'sorry, love...I don't want you to come to the UK for an opportunity to start living again' should look in the mirror and wonder what turned you into this wonderful fully rounded and strong character u now take. And you would say it to them you anti-child refugees, wouldn't you? Principles and all that. Edited by Kermit8 (04 Nov 2017 10.08am) I hold firm to my principles yes. I don't push myself forward in sanctimony. I take it after you have written that then you are taking in a child refugee? This country provides considerable help to those that it holds no responsibility for. I'm proud to be apart of that. By your comments, you evidently should be doing more. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Nov 17 3.16pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Anyone who can say to a tent-dwelling, cold, homeless, traumatised and orphaned 10 year old to her face 'sorry, love...I don't want you to come to the UK for an opportunity to start living again' should look in the mirror and wonder what turned you into this wonderful fully rounded and strong character u now take.

And you would say it to them you anti-child refugees, wouldn't you?
Principles and all that.

Edited by Kermit8 (04 Nov 2017 10.08am)

I hold firm to my principles yes. I don't push myself forward in sanctimony.

I take it after you have written that then you are taking in a child refugee?

This country provides considerable help to those that it holds no responsibility for. I'm proud to be apart of that.

By your comments, you evidently should be doing more.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 04 Nov 17 3.22pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Yet it was The Tories who made the (false) promise. No doubt plenty of genuine refugees in their tent cities would have got the news when it was announced thinking it was a sincere offer and no doubt again that would have given them some hope. All heart them Conservatives. Keep us posted on what you personally have done in this situation. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Nov 17 3.22pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Yet it was The Tories who made the (false) promise. No doubt plenty of genuine refugees in their tent cities would have got the news when it was announced thinking it was a sincere offer and no doubt again that would have given them some hope. All heart them Conservatives.

Keep us posted on what you personally have done in this situation.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Kermit8 Hevon 04 Nov 17 3.29pm
Originally posted by Park Road Ok, Fair enough Kermit 8.Unlike some, I wont debate/argue just for the sake of it. The aljazzera link below however, dispels your no one from Islam tries to get in. [Link] Edited by Park Road (04 Nov 2017 1.02pm) I didn't actually say that but ta for your link anyway. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 04 Nov 17 3.29pm

Originally posted by Park Road

Ok, Fair enough Kermit 8.Unlike some, I wont debate/argue just for the sake of it.
The aljazzera link below however, dispels your no one from Islam tries to get in.

[Link]

Edited by Park Road (04 Nov 2017 1.02pm)

I didn't actually say that but ta for your link anyway.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

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Stirlingsays 04 Nov 17 3.32pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Wouldn't that be more to do with their own serious home terrorism problems committed by some of their own people from the 70's through to the 90's dissipating? Also, not sure if 'Islamist' extremists would be applying for asylum all the way over in Japan? Doesn't quite fit their Jihad v The West narrative. None of that makes sense. Whatever home terrorism issues Japan had and has doesn't relate to immigration policies. Japan does not have any significant crime or home terrorist problem. We do yet still have far more welcoming immigration policies than they do. As for your contention that there is a 'Jihad v The West' narrative. Haven't you actually read what IS tell us? I seriously doubt it. Ok.....it isn't a Jihad v the west narrative, it is a Jihad v anti their version of Islam narrative. They won't stop until the world is Islamic. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Nov 17 3.32pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Wouldn't that be more to do with their own serious home terrorism problems committed by some of their own people from the 70's through to the 90's dissipating?

Also, not sure if 'Islamist' extremists would be applying for asylum all the way over in Japan? Doesn't quite fit their Jihad v The West narrative.

None of that makes sense.

Whatever home terrorism issues Japan had and has doesn't relate to immigration policies. Japan does not have any significant crime or home terrorist problem. We do yet still have far more welcoming immigration policies than they do.

As for your contention that there is a 'Jihad v The West' narrative. Haven't you actually read what IS tell us? I seriously doubt it. Ok.....it isn't a Jihad v the west narrative, it is a Jihad v anti their version of Islam narrative. They won't stop until the world is Islamic.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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elgrande bedford 04 Nov 17 3.33pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 Why does one have to be at the expense of the other? I'm guessing the 65,000 are either in care or fostered. If so that is an incredible improvement for the 3,000 who are living in the camps. Because if we cannot provide homes for the children in care now,how are we suddenly going to find homes for 3000 extra. If you read my post I think we should help as much as we can ...but not at cost to the 1000s of children who seek safety from abusive parents/careers here. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 04 Nov 17 3.33pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

Why does one have to be at the expense of the other? I'm guessing the 65,000 are either in care or fostered. If so that is an incredible improvement for the 3,000 who are living in the camps.

Because if we cannot provide homes for the children in care now,how are we suddenly going to find homes for 3000 extra.
If you read my post I think we should help as much as we can ...but not at cost to the 1000s of children who seek safety from abusive parents/careers here.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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