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 Dan89  Se25 04 Sep 17 4.56pm |
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Originally posted by black eagle.
So is it a case of we want Woy? Croydon roots, point to prove. Probably won't look for a massive survival bonus like a Rafa or dyche. Maybe he could get us survival this season and we could go for a dyche or Howe and look for stability that way.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Sep 17 7.06pm |
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Justin Edinburgh was sacked at Northampton after just 4 games.Found this bit from a local press report :
Prior to a ball being kicked, Edinburgh had insisted he wanted to play three at the back, with wing-backs providing the attacking width, and that is how the team lined up for the opener at Shrewsbury. It didn’t work. The Cobblers struggled to string two passes together, struggled to create chances, but they still should have claimed what would have been a hard-earned point at the New Meadow, only for the home side to snatch a last-gasp winner. It was a depressing opening day, but it was just one game. Nothing to worry about. A narrow League Cup defeat at a much-changed Queens Park Rangers saw an improved performance, but an expected 1-0 defeat, before Fleetwood came to town for the first league one match of the season at Sixfields. Edinburgh again went with the wing-backs, and it was a better showing than the previous week at Shrewsbury, but the match still ended in a 1-0 defeat, with Town again struggling to create chances. Sections of the support were now getting restless, they wanted the manager to abandon his three at the back preference, but he stuck by his insistence that it would work, and that the squad was the ‘right mould’ for the system. Edinburgh, who at the back end of the previous season had played an equally unpopular diamond system, wasn’t for changing. Social media was now awash with criticism of Edinburgh and his formation and tactics, and with the Peterborough derby on the horizon, the manager admitted he might be open to changing the system for the visit of the Posh. But he also admitted he can be ‘stubborn’ as a manager - and he was stubborn as Grant McCann’s men came to town. He again stuck with three at the back, and antagonised the fans even more by again pairing Marc Richards and Alex Revell in attack, a partnership that has consistently failed to fire. He perhaps had an excuse at Charlton the week before as Long had injured himself in the warm-up at the Valley, but there was no excuse for the Posh encounter. It meant the fans were far from onside before a ball had even been kicked, and once Peterborough went ahead, the fans turned, and quickly. It was a horrible afternoon, similar to ones I have experienced in the final days of the likes of Gary Johnson and Aidy Boothroyd, and although I’m not sure there is ever a case for supporters calling for their own manager to be sacked while a match is being played, that is what happened. They were voicing their displeasure at a woeful start to the campaign, with zero points and just two goals scored, and with Kelvin Thomas taking plenty of stick in the directors’ box, I would imagine Edinburgh’s fate was sealed , even though his misery was prolonged for four more days. From the outside, a manager getting sacked just four games into the league campaign looks ridiculous, and it does seem unfair to not allow a manager the time to get a team functioning as a unit after so much change and recruitment. And after the club have backed their man with so many new signings. But anybody who has watched the Cobblers this season might feel a little differently about it. As I said earlier, this was about more than results, it was about the vibe and the negative mood around Sixfields, something which has been prevalent since the back end of last season.
Edited by Willo (04 Sep 2017 7.06pm)
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chateauferret  04 Sep 17 7.15pm |
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Yes, there's no point crying over spilt milk but you have to consider whether the manager can turn it round. The ambiance is a factor in that. If de Boer gets his jotters it won't be because he's lost three games - actually in one of them we were decent against high-class opposition - but because he has failed to gain the confidence of those that matter.
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Flash  Lampeter 04 Sep 17 7.42pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Justin Edinburgh was sacked at Northampton after just 4 games.Found this bit from a local press report :
Prior to a ball being kicked, Edinburgh had insisted he wanted to play three at the back, with wing-backs providing the attacking width, and that is how the team lined up for the opener at Shrewsbury. It didn’t work. The Cobblers struggled to string two passes together, struggled to create chances, but they still should have claimed what would have been a hard-earned point at the New Meadow, only for the home side to snatch a last-gasp winner. It was a depressing opening day, but it was just one game. Nothing to worry about. A narrow League Cup defeat at a much-changed Queens Park Rangers saw an improved performance, but an expected 1-0 defeat, before Fleetwood came to town for the first league one match of the season at Sixfields. Edinburgh again went with the wing-backs, and it was a better showing than the previous week at Shrewsbury, but the match still ended in a 1-0 defeat, with Town again struggling to create chances. Sections of the support were now getting restless, they wanted the manager to abandon his three at the back preference, but he stuck by his insistence that it would work, and that the squad was the ‘right mould’ for the system. Edinburgh, who at the back end of the previous season had played an equally unpopular diamond system, wasn’t for changing. Social media was now awash with criticism of Edinburgh and his formation and tactics, and with the Peterborough derby on the horizon, the manager admitted he might be open to changing the system for the visit of the Posh. But he also admitted he can be ‘stubborn’ as a manager - and he was stubborn as Grant McCann’s men came to town. He again stuck with three at the back, and antagonised the fans even more by again pairing Marc Richards and Alex Revell in attack, a partnership that has consistently failed to fire. He perhaps had an excuse at Charlton the week before as Long had injured himself in the warm-up at the Valley, but there was no excuse for the Posh encounter. It meant the fans were far from onside before a ball had even been kicked, and once Peterborough went ahead, the fans turned, and quickly. It was a horrible afternoon, similar to ones I have experienced in the final days of the likes of Gary Johnson and Aidy Boothroyd, and although I’m not sure there is ever a case for supporters calling for their own manager to be sacked while a match is being played, that is what happened. They were voicing their displeasure at a woeful start to the campaign, with zero points and just two goals scored, and with Kelvin Thomas taking plenty of stick in the directors’ box, I would imagine Edinburgh’s fate was sealed , even though his misery was prolonged for four more days. From the outside, a manager getting sacked just four games into the league campaign looks ridiculous, and it does seem unfair to not allow a manager the time to get a team functioning as a unit after so much change and recruitment. And after the club have backed their man with so many new signings. But anybody who has watched the Cobblers this season might feel a little differently about it. As I said earlier, this was about more than results, it was about the vibe and the negative mood around Sixfields, something which has been prevalent since the back end of last season.
Edited by Willo (04 Sep 2017 7.06pm) No quotation marks, Willo. Was that verbatim? Very good comparison.
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| rawpalace05 Saltdean 04 Sep 17 9.22pm |
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Originally posted by Dan89
We don't want FDB to fail, but when your booed off in your first 2 home games it doesn't look great. There's a lot of questions from the window. Was Sakho a FDB signing. Is FDB happy that we only have 2 gks, 1 fit striker and 7 centre backs. They should of given him the tools to succeed, they haven't too many players uncomfortable in this style. Maybe he believed the players he had at his disposal was better than he thought. Don't think he will get the time imo.
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bit of a self fulfilling prophecy that statement mate??!! pssguy  04 Sep 17 9.31pm |
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Not really. Northampton had scored twice
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| rawpalace05 Saltdean 04 Sep 17 9.37pm |
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Originally posted by Dan89
95% sure that hodgson will get the job (if de Boer sacked) . Look at the criteria- parish will look for prem experience, someone out of work meaning no compo. Someone with a point to prove (after England mess, Roy wants 1 last job to lay England to bed). Also done well at similar sized clubs in Fulham and wba. I frigging love Parish, but if he gives up on his own "evolution plan" after only a handful of games because he realises he chose the wrong man, or the wrong time, he should consider his position imo. People replying to my previous post, a year of dross under Pardew, constant poor home form etc-if Parish primarily cared about changing these results over adopting a new style he'd have hired a different type of manager. As it goes he didn't, so he needs to stick it out until frank has had a fair crack at it, it's called being accountable for your own actions. As Brauny said, the hate/negativity/reverie in failure is rather sad.
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| chateauferret 04 Sep 17 9.44pm |
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Originally posted by pssguy
Not really. Northampton had scored twice So have we. Well, McArthur has, at least.
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| Dan89 Se25 04 Sep 17 10.08pm |
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Originally posted by rawpalace05
I frigging love Parish, but if he gives up on his own "evolution plan" after only a handful of games because he realises he chose the wrong man, or the wrong time, he should consider his position imo. People replying to my previous post, a year of dross under Pardew, constant poor home form etc-if Parish primarily cared about changing these results over adopting a new style he'd have hired a different type of manager. As it goes he didn't, so he needs to stick it out until frank has had a fair crack at it, it's called being accountable for your own actions. As Brauny said, the hate/negativity/reverie in failure is rather sad. I don't think fans want him to fail but would a win against Burnley paper over the cracks. Rumours of 1 game to save job, parish dislikes him, undermined in transfer market. Certainly not looking good for FDB. I love us to play a new style, improve results especially at home but I personally don't think we have the players to play that way. That's why given the lack of funds, the FDB appointment looks a strange one.
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| kev64 Cambs 04 Sep 17 10.26pm |
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4/7 on to be the first prem manager sacked, thats a healthy return come 2:45 Saturday. Dead man walking. Edited by kev64 (04 Sep 2017 10.27pm)
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Sep 17 10.41pm |
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Originally posted by pssguy
Making a comparison with "Three at the back" and it not working for Northampton. Yes they scored twice but both game were 4-1 defeats !
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| bexleydave Barnehurst 05 Sep 17 9.24am |
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Originally posted by Willo
Sounds familiar !
Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum) |
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