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jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Aug 17 1.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Dan89
Pretty embarrassing that parish is trying to tell him to play a certain way. When you appoint a manager you should believe in his philosophy or show him the door. Parish needs to swallow his pride and get a manager that suits. Question marks should be raised about parish job as chairman. Edited by Dan89 (29 Aug 2017 1.08pm) Seems reasonable to me. If we want to sack FDB I think we will have to pay his contract out (or a significant part of it).
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jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Aug 17 1.35pm | |
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We only seem to have 'lost our identity' when we're poor. Like at the start of every season in the premiership bar one. And the manager of that one time flash in the pan, of a good start, then went and f**ked up for 12 months after half a season. Hmm s**t for half a season, great form for half a season IS OUT IDENTITY.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Aug 17 1.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Dan89
Pretty embarrassing that parish is trying to tell him to play a certain way. When you appoint a manager you should believe in his philosophy or show him the door. Parish needs to swallow his pride and get a manager that suits. Question marks should be raised about parish job as chairman. Edited by Dan89 (29 Aug 2017 1.08pm) But there were comments from Frank and Steve, alone, and together, that changes would be gradual. They have been anything but gradual. This is the problem on the pitch and the relationship between them both.
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Dan89 Se25 29 Aug 17 1.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
But there were comments from Frank and Steve, alone, and together, that changes would be gradual. They have been anything but gradual. This is the problem on the pitch and the relationship between them both. In which the players have come disillusioned about style. He mentioned I like the ball on the ground many times in his pressers. I don't think it's a matter of going 343,352,433 or 4141. I personally think its de Boer philosophy that holding us back. Majority of our players aren't comfortable in possession and parish knew this especially when pardew experimented. Granted de Boer hasn't had the funds but it was the wrong appointment. It looks even more of a foolish appointment after his words were turn back the dial , need a manager that the current group suits in Dec. 3 signings later and big Sam 4 survival signings barring Sakho. It's basically a similar group that failed in a possession based style. This for me why parish is to blame.
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Booted Eagle Bristol 29 Aug 17 1.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Dan89
Pretty embarrassing that parish is trying to tell him to play a certain way. When you appoint a manager you should believe in his philosophy or show him the door. Parish needs to swallow his pride and get a manager that suits. Question marks should be raised about parish job as chairman. Edited by Dan89 (29 Aug 2017 1.08pm) Although I don't agree with questioning SP as chairman as he has largely done well the above does not bode well for the future relationship between them.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Aug 17 2.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Dan89
In which the players have come disillusioned about style. He mentioned I like the ball on the ground many times in his pressers. I don't think it's a matter of going 343,352,433 or 4141. I personally think its de Boer philosophy that holding us back. Majority of our players aren't comfortable in possession and parish knew this especially when pardew experimented. Granted de Boer hasn't had the funds but it was the wrong appointment. It looks even more of a foolish appointment after his words were turn back the dial , need a manager that the current group suits in Dec. 3 signings later and big Sam 4 survival signings barring Sakho. It's basically a similar group that failed in a possession based style. This for me why parish is to blame. I'm not so sure we're completely incapable of holding possession. We had quite a bit last season under Pardew and Sam and didn't look really uncomfortable. I do, as you know, think 3 at the back is the current problem. Ward has nobody in front of him to help or to have that pass. PVA surprisingly the same, yet in a 4-whatever is comfortable to turn out with the ball to his left and pass it onto the left mid. He will overlap all day long. These gaps and changes are making it difficult for central players if there is no wide midfielder there and no wing back there. Even more so with no attacking mid there, which again leads back to why are we relying on PVA and ward as our wide passing option, especially when sometimes they have the ball themselves. Oh and even though Zaha was injured Townsend wasn't. Neither was Schlupp, Chungy or punch. 1 of whom did come on and another in Schlupp could've come on for Tomkins to become 4-whatever. Trouble might've been if we did have success it wouldn't have been by design but by accident because he had to, which I dont agree with. Instead Kelly came on, back 3 got switched about and the 2nd goal he was exposed big time.
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Painter Croydon 29 Aug 17 2.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Dan89
My booeing is not aimed at de Boer, it the home form for a number of years and the lack of investment this year. With the style not working under pardew, after escaping under big Sam. Why did parish appoint FDB in the first place. You seem to feel you can roll up at Selhurst and start booing and expect everyone to know what your on about. It is your right to do so, but it does have a negative effect on players confidence.
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Dan89 Se25 29 Aug 17 2.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Booted Eagle
Although I don't agree with questioning SP as chairman as he has largely done well the above does not bode well for the future relationship between them. He's buggered up this appointment and even the parish lovers must realise this. Tell a manager to play a certain way. Why don't he take over, it's complete mess. He got it wrong. Now wants de Boer to set a team up like a big Sam or pulis. Yet that's not his philosophy. Parish buys players like Sako, Zaha and persuading him to get mama Sakho , when I've seen FDB say that he'd rather get other players with more value for money like Chambers. I'd love Sakho back but you can't tell me that he was in de Boer plans, hence he bought reidewald. One game later found out that Riedewald not ready yet for the grind of the league and now have to get another defender in Sakho. I'd love Sakho back but does de Boer want him or does parish want him.
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Dan89 Se25 29 Aug 17 2.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Painter
You seem to feel you can roll up at Selhurst and start booing and expect everyone to know what your on about. It is your right to do so, but it does have a negative effect on players confidence. I didnt boo at 0-0 , I booed at h/t and f/t. It's not acceptable to have 1 fit striker. We wasted 9 pts already. Due Parish being underprepared. I travel up and down the country to follow Palace and I'm entitled to my opinion.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Aug 17 2.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Dan89
I didnt boo at 0-0 , I booed at h/t and f/t. It's not acceptable to have 1 fit striker. We wasted 9 pts already. Due Parish being underprepared. I travel up and down the country to follow Palace and I'm entitled to my opinion. Trouble with booing is that a lot of the time nobody knows what you're booing so it may have the wrong effect, especially at half time. After giving it a decent go 2nd half it could've been anything. Your pie filling? The new gluten free soup pots.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Aug 17 2.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Dan89
He's buggered up this appointment and even the parish lovers must realise this. Tell a manager to play a certain way. Why don't he take over, it's complete mess. He got it wrong. Now wants de Boer to set a team up like a big Sam or pulis. Yet that's not his philosophy. Parish buys players like Sako, Zaha and persuading him to get mama Sakho , when I've seen FDB say that he'd rather get other players with more value for money like Chambers. I'd love Sakho back but you can't tell me that he was in de Boer plans, hence he bought reidewald. One game later found out that Riedewald not ready yet for the grind of the league and now have to get another defender in Sakho. I'd love Sakho back but does de Boer want him or does parish want him.
What a lot of emotive rhetoric and hogwash. Steve Parish doesn't need me to defend him as he is more than capable of doing that himself but I will make a few points in response to the tirade : "Haven't developed the ground" - Thank goodness we have a ground of our own to do so. Who has this been down to ? Not wholly Steve but you get my drift. Leaving aside the "They saved the club" etc etc, Parish has been at the helm during our now record 5 seasons in the Premier League. Managers : He appointed Holloway who was in the 'Chair' when we were promoted.He appointed Pulis who joined when we we 19th and he saved us from the drop.And of course he appointed Pardew who joined us when we were 18th and he also saved us from relegation.Not forgetting of course Allardyce. So whilst once can hurl negatives, let's not pretend that there have been NO huge positives whilst Parish has been at the club.Nobody is perfect of course but let's give credit where credit is due.
Edited by Willo (29 Aug 2017 2.37pm)
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Dan89 Se25 29 Aug 17 2.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
What a lot of emotive rhetoric and hogwash. Steve Parish doesn't need me to defend him as he is more than capable of doing that himself but I will make a few points in response to the tirade : "Haven't developed the ground" - Thank goodness we have a ground of our own to do so. Who has this been down to ? Not wholly Steve but you get my drift. Leaving aside the "They saved the club" etc etc, Parish has been at the helm during our now record 5 seasons in the Premier League. Managers : He appointed Holloway who was in the 'Chair' when we were promoted.He appointed Pulis who joined when we we 19th and he saved us from the drop.And of course he appointed Pardew who joined us when we were 18th and he also saved us from relegation.Not forgetting of course Allardyce. So whilst once can hurl negatives, let's not pretend that there have been NO huge positives whilst Parish has been at the club.Nobody is perfect of course but let's give credit where credit is due.
Edited by Willo (29 Aug 2017 2.36pm) Edited by Willo (29 Aug 2017 2.36pm) I forget he saved the club it's all irrelevant.
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