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7mins In the bush 04 Aug 17 10.41am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 There has always been a gangster allure, back in the 60s it was the Krays and the Richardsons, the difference between then and now, is that wages weren't st - Families of four could get by on a single adults wages. Working must always be a route out of poverty - not a means of subsistence. If they aren't, then the value of working is eroded as is the ethical imperative - and that leads to a greater allure of gangster culture - when you're spending 50 hours a week working a McDonalds to stand still, but some guy from the estate is earning 10k a week driving a nice car and has all the trapping of success, for what appears to be no real work - selling drugs - its an attractive prospect. Pretty much true of what every generation has said about the following generation. Yep, work needs to pay... we live in a world of minimum wage and zero hour contracts. I have never understood why blacks blame whites for their tough life... if you want to blame anyone, blame the rich. Blame the fat cats earning six figure salaries while paying £7.50 to their staff. The gap between the rich and the poor is a greater threat to young black men than a fellow young white guy. The rich must love white vs black... it keeps the spotlight off them. I still believe the black community is failing itself though. The criminality has to be shunned... drug dealers should be treated as pariahs not heroes, rappers that boast about gang crime and hitting women, should be ridiculed. They should confront the fact that young black males are far more likely to be criminals than young white/Asian/Hispanic... instead they wait until a drug dealer swallows a package of drugs, chokes to death, then they point at the copper and say it's all his fault. He was trying to stop the silly b** from swallowing the evidence. That copper is cleaning up that communities s*.
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In the bush 04 Aug 17 10.41am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

There has always been a gangster allure, back in the 60s it was the Krays and the Richardsons, the difference between then and now, is that wages weren't s**t - Families of four could get by on a single adults wages.

Working must always be a route out of poverty - not a means of subsistence. If they aren't, then the value of working is eroded as is the ethical imperative - and that leads to a greater allure of gangster culture - when you're spending 50 hours a week working a McDonalds to stand still, but some guy from the estate is earning 10k a week driving a nice car and has all the trapping of success, for what appears to be no real work - selling drugs - its an attractive prospect.

Pretty much true of what every generation has said about the following generation.

Yep, work needs to pay... we live in a world of minimum wage and zero hour contracts. I have never understood why blacks blame whites for their tough life... if you want to blame anyone, blame the rich. Blame the fat cats earning six figure salaries while paying £7.50 to their staff. The gap between the rich and the poor is a greater threat to young black men than a fellow young white guy. The rich must love white vs black... it keeps the spotlight off them.
I still believe the black community is failing itself though. The criminality has to be shunned... drug dealers should be treated as pariahs not heroes, rappers that boast about gang crime and hitting women, should be ridiculed. They should confront the fact that young black males are far more likely to be criminals than young white/Asian/Hispanic... instead they wait until a drug dealer swallows a package of drugs, chokes to death, then they point at the copper and say it's all his fault. He was trying to stop the silly b****** from swallowing the evidence. That copper is cleaning up that communities s***.

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Shifty97 Croydon 05 Aug 17 6.31pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Do you have an interest in actual statistics on these matters or is it all personal impressions and experiences that forms your point of view? I haven't disregarded the stats on the matters have I, I have just given an alternative view point. Opinions are formed using a mixture of stats, experiences and other things, not just one or the other. Edited by Shifty97 (05 Aug 2017 11.10pm)
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Croydon 05 Aug 17 6.31pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Do you have an interest in actual statistics on these matters or is it all personal impressions and experiences that forms your point of view?

I haven't disregarded the stats on the matters have I, I have just given an alternative view point. Opinions are formed using a mixture of stats, experiences and other things, not just one or the other.

Edited by Shifty97 (05 Aug 2017 11.10pm)

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Shifty97 Croydon 05 Aug 17 6.35pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 There has always been a gangster allure, back in the 60s it was the Krays and the Richardsons, the difference between then and now, is that wages weren't s**t - Families of four could get by on a single adults wages. Working must always be a route out of poverty - not a means of subsistence. If they aren't, then the value of working is eroded as is the ethical imperative - and that leads to a greater allure of gangster culture - when you're spending 50 hours a week working a McDonalds to stand still, but some guy from the estate is earning 10k a week driving a nice car and has all the trapping of success, for what appears to be no real work - selling drugs - its an attractive prospect. Pretty much true of what every generation has said about the following generation. Completely agree
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Croydon 05 Aug 17 6.35pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Pretty much true of what every generation has said about the following generation.

Completely agree

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Shifty97 Croydon 05 Aug 17 6.41pm
Originally posted by 7mins Yep, work needs to pay... we live in a world of minimum wage and zero hour contracts. I have never understood why blacks blame whites for their tough life... if you want to blame anyone, blame the rich. Blame the fat cats earning six figure salaries while paying £7.50 to their staff. The gap between the rich and the poor is a greater threat to young black men than a fellow young white guy. The rich must love white vs black... it keeps the spotlight off them. I still believe the black community is failing itself though. The criminality has to be shunned... drug dealers should be treated as pariahs not heroes, rappers that boast about gang crime and hitting women, should be ridiculed. They should confront the fact that young black males are far more likely to be criminals than young white/Asian/Hispanic... instead they wait until a drug dealer swallows a package of drugs, chokes to death, then they point at the copper and say it's all his fault. He was trying to stop the silly b**** from swallowing the evidence. That copper is cleaning up that communities s*. Agree with this too. I would say black people blame white people for a tough life because there seem to be more rich and "privileged" or even "controlling" white people.
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Croydon 05 Aug 17 6.41pm

Originally posted by 7mins

Agree with this too. I would say black people blame white people for a tough life because there seem to be more rich and "privileged" or even "controlling" white people.

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Canterbury Palace Whitstable 05 Aug 17 11.15pm
In a surreal moment, I was actually racially abused walking through Canterbury high street by a pissed up hobo this evening. Having been swimming earlier in the day, my hair (curly) had morphed into something of an afro which was apparently enough to convince the Tenants-soaked lady that I'm black, despite the annoyingly contradictory evidence of my skin being white. Anyway, she repeatedly shouted "You f*ing gollywog" at me as I walked past and told me to "f* off on the boat I came in on". It was done with such conviction that for a fleeting second I did actually wonder if I was black. It was tempting to shout "If I'm black why do I have such a tiny p****?" at her, but I was holding my 10 month old daughter at the time and it seemed inappropriate. Anyway, not sure if that helps the debate in any way (I haven't read any of it) but I felt like sharing. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...
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In a surreal moment, I was actually racially abused walking through Canterbury high street by a pissed up hobo this evening. Having been swimming earlier in the day, my hair (curly) had morphed into something of an afro which was apparently enough to convince the Tenants-soaked lady that I'm black, despite the annoyingly contradictory evidence of my skin being white.

Anyway, she repeatedly shouted "You f***ing gollywog" at me as I walked past and told me to "f*** off on the boat I came in on". It was done with such conviction that for a fleeting second I did actually wonder if I was black.

It was tempting to shout "If I'm black why do I have such a tiny p****?" at her, but I was holding my 10 month old daughter at the time and it seemed inappropriate. Anyway, not sure if that helps the debate in any way (I haven't read any of it) but I felt like sharing.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...

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7mins In the bush 06 Aug 17 1.19am
Originally posted by Shifty97 Agree with this too. I would say black people blame white people for a tough life because there seem to be more rich and "privileged" or even "controlling" white people. Demographics, and a lot of wealth is inherited.... also whites/Asians out perform us educationally... It stings saying it, but it's true. If we admit it... we've more chance of catching up. There needs to be a change in attitude in the black community, accept our faults (criminality/lack of role models/breakdown of family unit/etc) and start to fix them... we need to hold ourselves to the same standards the whites/Asians do... get our young boys outta gangs and in college/university. I want it to be the norm for black people to be in further education. Can't see it happening in my lifetime thou
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7mins

In the bush 06 Aug 17 1.19am

Originally posted by Shifty97

Agree with this too. I would say black people blame white people for a tough life because there seem to be more rich and "privileged" or even "controlling" white people.

Demographics, and a lot of wealth is inherited.... also whites/Asians out perform us educationally... It stings saying it, but it's true. If we admit it... we've more chance of catching up.

There needs to be a change in attitude in the black community, accept our faults (criminality/lack of role models/breakdown of family unit/etc) and start to fix them... we need to hold ourselves to the same standards the whites/Asians do... get our young boys outta gangs and in college/university. I want it to be the norm for black people to be in further education.

Can't see it happening in my lifetime thou

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Shifty97 Croydon 06 Aug 17 6.45pm
Originally posted by 7mins Demographics, and a lot of wealth is inherited.... also whites/Asians out perform us educationally... It stings saying it, but it's true. If we admit it... we've more chance of catching up. There needs to be a change in attitude in the black community, accept our faults (criminality/lack of role models/breakdown of family unit/etc) and start to fix them... we need to hold ourselves to the same standards the whites/Asians do... get our young boys outta gangs and in college/university. I want it to be the norm for black people to be in further education. Can't see it happening in my lifetime thou I want to see this as well, but I wouldn't say that the situation is as bad as you think. People are trying to help change this situation and try and get young black people in a better situation. I think this will take time but I think you might just see it in your lifetime.
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Croydon 06 Aug 17 6.45pm

Originally posted by 7mins

Demographics, and a lot of wealth is inherited.... also whites/Asians out perform us educationally... It stings saying it, but it's true. If we admit it... we've more chance of catching up.

There needs to be a change in attitude in the black community, accept our faults (criminality/lack of role models/breakdown of family unit/etc) and start to fix them... we need to hold ourselves to the same standards the whites/Asians do... get our young boys outta gangs and in college/university. I want it to be the norm for black people to be in further education.

Can't see it happening in my lifetime thou

I want to see this as well, but I wouldn't say that the situation is as bad as you think. People are trying to help change this situation and try and get young black people in a better situation. I think this will take time but I think you might just see it in your lifetime.

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 06 Aug 17 6.53pm
Originally posted by 7mins Yep, work needs to pay... we live in a world of minimum wage and zero hour contracts. I have never understood why blacks blame whites for their tough life... if you want to blame anyone, blame the rich. Blame the fat cats earning six figure salaries while paying £7.50 to their staff. The gap between the rich and the poor is a greater threat to young black men than a fellow young white guy. The rich must love white vs black... it keeps the spotlight off them. I still believe the black community is failing itself though. The criminality has to be shunned... drug dealers should be treated as pariahs not heroes, rappers that boast about gang crime and hitting women, should be ridiculed. They should confront the fact that young black males are far more likely to be criminals than young white/Asian/Hispanic... instead they wait until a drug dealer swallows a package of drugs, chokes to death, then they point at the copper and say it's all his fault. He was trying to stop the silly b**** from swallowing the evidence. That copper is cleaning up that communities s*. Got to say that you're right on the money as far as I'm concerned 7Mins. Shame that there appears to be a lot of money to be made by "legitimate business interests" from perpetuating gangsta chic. Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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In the land of Whelk Eaters 06 Aug 17 6.53pm

Originally posted by 7mins

Got to say that you're right on the money as far as I'm concerned 7Mins. Shame that there appears to be a lot of money to be made by "legitimate business interests" from perpetuating gangsta chic.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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Shifty97 Croydon 06 Aug 17 7.01pm
Originally posted by 7mins I'm on my phone in screwfix, so this will be brief. How do you know you were targeted by colour... my nephew was stopped, they were looking for someone who matched his description... a lot of street crime in London is committed by young black males, the nature of the crime means there is often a good description of the perpetrator, that's why police sometimes stop young black males... they're just following up leads... this was explained by a black senior police officer on LBC. Someone phoned in, and genuinely said black crime should be investigated differently... that unless the crime was violent, a watered down approach was better. I started a thread on here about me moving my car a short distance and getting a ticket for not wearing sit belt... I thought to myself... I wonder if it's because I'm non white, in a 99% white Sussex town. Turns out... the copper is a jobsworth... he gets everyone. Sometimes people are arseholes... doesn't make em racist. Mate it was not a one off, at first I was not sure but after a while it became obvious.
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Croydon 06 Aug 17 7.01pm

Originally posted by 7mins

I'm on my phone in screwfix, so this will be brief.

How do you know you were targeted by colour... my nephew was stopped, they were looking for someone who matched his description... a lot of street crime in London is committed by young black males, the nature of the crime means there is often a good description of the perpetrator, that's why police sometimes stop young black males... they're just following up leads... this was explained by a black senior police officer on LBC. Someone phoned in, and genuinely said black crime should be investigated differently... that unless the crime was violent, a watered down approach was better.

I started a thread on here about me moving my car a short distance and getting a ticket for not wearing sit belt... I thought to myself... I wonder if it's because I'm non white, in a 99% white Sussex town. Turns out... the copper is a jobsworth... he gets everyone.

Sometimes people are arseholes... doesn't make em racist.

Mate it was not a one off, at first I was not sure but after a while it became obvious.

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7mins In the bush 07 Aug 17 12.43pm
Originally posted by Shifty97 I want to see this as well, but I wouldn't say that the situation is as bad as you think. People are trying to help change this situation and try and get young black people in a better situation. I think this will take time but I think you might just see it in your lifetime. I spend a lot of time in South London and East London... mainly Hackney. The problem with young black crime is so noticeable. I don't blame anyone in these areas for looking at young black people with suspicion. I know I do. Like Chris Rock said.... "we can blame the media all we like... but when I'm at a cash point, it's N****rs that I'm looking out for"
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In the bush 07 Aug 17 12.43pm

Originally posted by Shifty97

I spend a lot of time in South London and East London... mainly Hackney. The problem with young black crime is so noticeable. I don't blame anyone in these areas for looking at young black people with suspicion. I know I do.

Like Chris Rock said.... "we can blame the media all we like... but when I'm at a cash point, it's N****rs that I'm looking out for"

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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Aug 17 1.53pm
Originally posted by 7mins I spend a lot of time in South London and East London... mainly Hackney. The problem with young black crime is so noticeable. I don't blame anyone in these areas for looking at young black people with suspicion. I know I do. Like Chris Rock said.... "we can blame the media all we like... but when I'm at a cash point, it's N****rs that I'm looking out for" Yeah, I get that, but its not just black people I look out for, there are plenty of scummy types around our way who'd rob someone who aren't black. Big problem with Pikeys and Chavscum around our side of Reading. I was listening to some new gangster hip-hop over the weekend, and it definitely seems more about the glamourisation of being a gangster than more classic material (and a lot lazier). With Ice-T and NWA, Cypress Hill it seems more in line with country music in that its recalling life, rather than promoting a lifestyle. Edited by jamiemartin721 (07 Aug 2017 1.59pm) "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 07 Aug 17 1.53pm

Originally posted by 7mins

Like Chris Rock said.... "we can blame the media all we like... but when I'm at a cash point, it's N****rs that I'm looking out for"

Yeah, I get that, but its not just black people I look out for, there are plenty of scummy types around our way who'd rob someone who aren't black. Big problem with Pikeys and Chavscum around our side of Reading.

I was listening to some new gangster hip-hop over the weekend, and it definitely seems more about the glamourisation of being a gangster than more classic material (and a lot lazier). With Ice-T and NWA, Cypress Hill it seems more in line with country music in that its recalling life, rather than promoting a lifestyle.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (07 Aug 2017 1.59pm)

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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7mins In the bush 07 Aug 17 3.08pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Yeah, I get that, but its not just black people I look out for, there are plenty of scummy types around our way who'd rob someone who aren't black. Big problem with Pikeys and Chavscum around our side of Reading. I was listening to some new gangster hip-hop over the weekend, and it definitely seems more about the glamourisation of being a gangster than more classic material (and a lot lazier). With Ice-T and NWA, Cypress Hill it seems more in line with country music in that its recalling life, rather than promoting a lifestyle. Edited by jamiemartin721 (07 Aug 2017 1.59pm) Yea, I understand that... I was speaking about my experiences in Hackney. I was in Salford last yr, and it was the pasty faced, tracksuit wearing, white types you'd look out for (usually with bad teeth)... to be fair... they were more interested in selling you spice rather than robbing ya. It's a difficult conversation to have... I don't know of any other ethnic group that seems to have criminality inter woven in to its culture. I just see it as holding young black people back. Life is hard regardless... it just seems they're making it unnecessarily difficult. It also pisses me off, when a criminal swallows drugs, and they blame the copper who was trying to stop him... that drug dealer is destroying communities... my old man thinks it a deflection tactic from the black community... I just think they're f***in stupid. Edited by 7mins (07 Aug 2017 3.09pm) Edited by 7mins (07 Aug 2017 3.10pm)
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In the bush 07 Aug 17 3.08pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Edited by jamiemartin721 (07 Aug 2017 1.59pm)

Yea, I understand that... I was speaking about my experiences in Hackney. I was in Salford last yr, and it was the pasty faced, tracksuit wearing, white types you'd look out for (usually with bad teeth)... to be fair... they were more interested in selling you spice rather than robbing ya.

It's a difficult conversation to have... I don't know of any other ethnic group that seems to have criminality inter woven in to its culture. I just see it as holding young black people back. Life is hard regardless... it just seems they're making it unnecessarily difficult.
It also pisses me off, when a criminal swallows drugs, and they blame the copper who was trying to stop him... that drug dealer is destroying communities... my old man thinks it a deflection tactic from the black community... I just think they're f***in stupid.

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