So, by your reckoning, if your car is easy to break into it's ok for me to break into it. If anyone else has ever stolen something from a car, then it's ok for me to steal all your s***. Got it.

As to proving whether there was anything illegal in taking that meeting, Trump Jr's emails confirm everything that's required to trigger guilt under that statute:

- He took a meeting
- With a Russian
- Who was promising to give him dirt on Clinton.

That's all that's required. Even an attempt to get something of value from a foreigner is against the law, so at best, this qualifies on that alone.

The ever-changing story of Trump Jr. now says that there was nothing of value being offered. If we accept this latest version at face value, it would be like me breaking into your car and finding nothing worth stealing - so I'm good to go, no crime here.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

The source of information doesn't matter. We do not know where many items of information originate from. What matters is if the information is obtained for exchange for favours. The acceptance and use of the material from another power would not be illegal in of itself.

Look here is an article from CNN themselves on the illegality of it.

[Link]

It appears the logic of what I was saying earlier is pretty much why this isn't illegal. It is so easily over-rided that it is a pointless law. What matters is how that information is used....for what purpose.

If you ignore this....then please tell me If this meeting is illegal then why haven't legal proceedings started.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jul 2017 8.38pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

We do know where Don Jr's emails came from. They came from Don Jr. They are not disputed.

The campaign did not need to promise favours in order to violate the campaign finance law. They just needed to seek or accept a "thing of value" from a foreign national.

Political campaigns spend a significant amount of money on opposition research. I could link a cornucopia of opinion that disagrees with CNN's claim because getting given such is being given a "thing of value". Here's one: [Link]

As for an investigation, what do you think Robert Mueller's been doing all this time? Oh, and Don Jr., Manafort and Kushner have all been in for interviews by relevant Congressional committees. Interviews is how investigations start.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

OK< I have to go for the hated point-by-point on this one:

That's not what I said. I pointed out that there are differing opinions in the media about this. I gave you an example, CNN was another.

Investigations have already started. Mueller is investigating Trump-Russia connections and the relevant committees in the House and Senate have already interviewed the Trump campaign attendees - even going to the length of subpoenaing Manafort for documents he was refusing to hand over.

Legal proceedings come once the investigation is complete.

I am not wrong. I linked you to the exact statute in question that says very specifically that it's against the law. It has nothing to do with how the information is used, it's all about how it's obtained or at least sought. If you accept or seek a thing of value from a foreign person or entity, you're breaking campaign finance law.

This is different from whether the Trump campaign colluded with Russia over the hacking efforts. I suspect you are conflating the two, but they're separate. There is no direct evidence of collusion over the hacking but there is direct evidence of an effort to break campaign finance law as documented by Don Jr's emails. The former being the far more serious crime.

I am not being asked to sit on the jury.

As above, I think you think I am taking the emails and making a case that Trump helped Russia hack the election. I'm not.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Haha

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We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Well Ray I'm happy for those interested to read these pages and make their own minds up on what we have covered. I know I certainly have.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)