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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 17 Jul 17 4.31pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

London Mayoral campaigns were typically focused on the inner boroughs. What Boris did brilliantly was to appeal to the voters in the outer boroughs, whom typically did not vote in mayoral campaigns and won due to that.

It is a strategy used by Labour the last election, who won London seats by appealing to a different demographic, the young.

It may be convenient for you to dismiss Boris as an idiot, and I would add I do not wish for him to be PM, but he is brighter than you give him credit for.

Indeed, he'd never have survived in politics if he wasn't - he's very good at the game. But I don't think he'd make a good PM (or win a majority, without sufficient rehabilitation).

I don't see him as someone who leads, but more someone who provides the basis for leadership. A bit like Brown and Blair. In the treasury Brown excelled (whether you like him or not) but outside it, as Leader, he was very poor. He didn't inspire confidence on a broad basis - which a leader has to.

Similarly, Thatcher and Whitelaw. On his own, he'd been s**t as PM, but the two of them massively benefitted each other as PM and Deputy.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 17 Jul 17 4.46pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Indeed, he'd never have survived in politics if he wasn't - he's very good at the game. But I don't think he'd make a good PM (or win a majority, without sufficient rehabilitation).

I don't see him as someone who leads, but more someone who provides the basis for leadership. A bit like Brown and Blair. In the treasury Brown excelled (whether you like him or not) but outside it, as Leader, he was very poor. He didn't inspire confidence on a broad basis - which a leader has to.

Similarly, Thatcher and Whitelaw. On his own, he'd been s**t as PM, but the two of them massively benefitted each other as PM and Deputy.

I completely agree and say that a Mogg/BJ dream ticket could be what this country needs.

 


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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 17 Jul 17 4.57pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

I completely agree and say that a Mogg/BJ dream ticket could be what this country needs.

If you're talking about the UK then you've taken leave of your senses. That "ticket" is a one-way pass to increased inequality, poor international relations, low levels of productivity, a worsening economy, pillaging of public services and enrichment of asset owners at the expense of everyone else.

It would be a shambolic disaster.

Thankfully it won't happen.

 

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 17 Jul 17 5.00pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

If you're talking about the UK then you've taken leave of your senses. That "ticket" is a one-way pass to increased inequality, poor international relations, low levels of productivity, a worsening economy, pillaging of public services and enrichment of asset owners at the expense of everyone else.

It would be a shambolic disaster.

Thankfully it won't happen.

Have you actually listened to Mogg?

With all due respect it appears that you have pulled that opinion out of your arsehole.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 17 Jul 17 5.11pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

If you're talking about the UK then you've taken leave of your senses. That "ticket" is a one-way pass to increased inequality, poor international relations, low levels of productivity, a worsening economy, pillaging of public services and enrichment of asset owners at the expense of everyone else.

It would be a shambolic disaster.

Thankfully it won't happen.

How do you increase inequality, or decrease it or that matter. Would you divide assets equally between everybody?

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 17 Jul 17 5.23pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

If you're talking about the UK then you've taken leave of your senses. That "ticket" is a one-way pass to increased inequality, poor international relations, low levels of productivity, a worsening economy, pillaging of public services and enrichment of asset owners at the expense of everyone else.

It would be a shambolic disaster.

Thankfully it won't happen.

Cynically, in my 40 years I haven't really seen anyone approach politics other than with a vision that isn't based around f**king over people who aren't going to vote for them, when it comes to government.

Labour never really seems to understand the necessity of wealth generation, and the Conservatives never seem to understand the problems its disparity generates.

Neither is ever really honest about what they can deliver and the cost of consequences that come with change.

And they don't have to, because you really only have a choice of two outcomes that are oppositional, rather than something that's pragmatically aimed towards generation of wealth and increasing the life of all citizens, not just those who vote for the Red Puppet or the Blue Puppet.

And we in turn get 'trapped' in this machine that only offers two options, with the idea that one of these is the way out.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 17 Jul 17 5.25pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

How do you increase inequality, or decrease it or that matter. Would you divide assets equally between everybody?

The answer, in either way, is through regulation. Generating wealth is pointless, if no one benefits. Conversely, increasing equality is meaningless if in doing so you make everyone poor.

 


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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 17 Jul 17 5.47pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

Have you actually listened to Mogg?

With all due respect it appears that you have pulled that opinion out of your arsehole.

I most certainly have. I've also looked carefully at his voting record, which indicates clearly his stance and how he'd lead us down a dark path of fewer rights and opportunities for the many and more for the few.

Fox hunting and bombing other countries Good, social equality Bad. High levels of youth unemployment Good, disability benefits Bad. Restriction of workers' rights Good, marginally higher taxes on the wealthiest Bad. That's from the book according to Mogg.

 

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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 17 Jul 17 5.58pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

How do you increase inequality, or decrease it or that matter. Would you divide assets equally between everybody?


Decreasing inequality is a relatively simple task and one that would improve productivity and social cohesion immensely. It's however unpopular with the Tories, their backers and the press barons (hence why the Tories don't like it).

Simple strategies to decrease it range from small increases in top rates of tax, reductions in lower rates of tax, increases in minimum wages, increasing public investment in education (very important), reducing levels of regressive taxes in favour of progressive taxes, increasing inheritance tax significantly, making un-earned income (such as capital gains) taxable at the same rates as income, increasing public investment in infrastructure to improve physical mobility of people, increase levels and quality of affordable housing, provide state supported schemes to invest in start-ups (like a state owned VC business) that would then retain small shares (say 5%) in these companies once divested or listed and provide a "social dividend", increase levels of benefits in the same way that pensions are increase (triple lock) but also provide incentives to get back to work via improve access to training, investment in healthcare (particularly mental health), remove the draconian restrictions on union activity and collective action (very important), levies on pay of execs which is in excess of a multiple of their lowest paid worker (industry specific, but say levy on salaries over 20x that of lowest paid), abolish employers' NI and work the amount to be raised back into income tax (merge NI altogether into income tax).

List goes on.

 

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 17 Jul 17 6.01pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I most certainly have. I've also looked carefully at his voting record, which indicates clearly his stance and how he'd lead us down a dark path of fewer rights and opportunities for the many and more for the few.

Fox hunting and bombing other countries Good, social equality Bad. High levels of youth unemployment Good, disability benefits Bad. Restriction of workers' rights Good, marginally higher taxes on the wealthiest Bad. That's from the book according to Mogg.

Complete prejudiced bollocks.

You have never listened to him and assume him to follow your mythical view of a Tory.

Pathetic.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 17 Jul 17 7.06pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

How delightful Jacob has voted in Parliament so far on some issues:

Consistently voted against allowing terminally ill people to be given assistance to end their life

Consistently voted against equal gay rights

Consistently voted against smoking bans

Consistently voted against allowing marriage between two people of same sex

Generally voted against laws to promote equality and human rights

Consistently voted against investigations into the Iraq war

Almost always voted against a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK

Consistently voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax"

Consistently voted against spending public money to create guaranteed jobs for young people who have spent a long time unemployed

Consistently voted against increasing the tax rate applied to income over £150,000

Almost always voted against a banker’s bonus tax

Consistently voted for reducing capital gains tax
Voted a mixture of for and against measures to reduce tax avoidance

So not a massive surprise he has support from certain types on here.

Edited by Kermit8 (17 Jul 2017 7.09pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 17 Jul 17 7.08pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

How delightful Jacob has voted in Parliament so far on some issues:

Consistently voted against allowing terminally ill people to be given assistance to end their life

Consistently voted against equal gay rights

Consistently voted against smoking bans

Consistently voted against allowing marriage between two people of same sex

Generally voted against laws to promote equality and human rights

Consistently voted against allowing terminally ill people to be given assistance to end their life

Consistently voted against investigations into the Iraq war

Almost always voted against a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK

Consistently voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax"

Consistently voted against spending public money to create guaranteed jobs for young people who have spent a long time unemployed

Consistently voted against increasing the tax rate applied to income over £150,000

Almost always voted against a banker’s bonus tax

Consistently voted for reducing capital gains tax
Voted a mixture of for and against measures to reduce tax avoidance

Edited by Kermit8 (17 Jul 2017 7.06pm)

Some of it's doubtful but If he's annoying you then he must be doing something right.

 


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