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Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Jun 17 12.08pm
Originally posted by majorkaios Im sorry if you think that, but I'm not bieng negative. And you are all too happy to pull text out of context of the whole. Some posters earlier wrote that he will be out by January, if it all goes pear shaped. I disagree and was pointing out the positves from a worst case as the leading line of that specific para starts by saying just that.. and the advantages of sticking by FDB even in the championship. I am by far more hopefull that The squad and backroom team will hit the ground running and at a fast pace. P.S. last I checked Dyche does not live in Wiltshire. If we are in a very dangerous position in December then it is likely Parish would sack anyone. I'm not saying that we will be, just that if we are, the odds are on the sack, for anyone. If that happens it will be because some of the things said have been ignored and the manager has done, like many managers do, and that's do his thing, ignoring the situation the club and squad is in. Slow and gradual and we should be okay, although I'm a bit concerned all out of the top 8 will let us have the ball at home, and we'll take it and struggle to win with it. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 29 Jun 17 12.08pm

Originally posted by majorkaios

Im sorry if you think that, but I'm not bieng negative. And you are all too happy to pull text out of context of the whole.

Some posters earlier wrote that he will be out by January, if it all goes pear shaped. I disagree and was pointing out the positves from a worst case as the leading line of that specific para starts by saying just that.. and the advantages of sticking by FDB even in the championship.

I am by far more hopefull that The squad and backroom team will hit the ground running and at a fast pace.

P.S. last I checked Dyche does not live in Wiltshire.

If we are in a very dangerous position in December then it is likely Parish would sack anyone. I'm not saying that we will be, just that if we are, the odds are on the sack, for anyone.

If that happens it will be because some of the things said have been ignored and the manager has done, like many managers do, and that's do his thing, ignoring the situation the club and squad is in. Slow and gradual and we should be okay, although I'm a bit concerned all out of the top 8 will let us have the ball at home, and we'll take it and struggle to win with it.

COYP

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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 29 Jun 17 12.09pm
Originally posted by bexleydave Make no mistake, if we were to be relegated, whoever is in charge, it would be a disaster both on and off the pitch. We would have nothing whatsoever to show for five years in the PL; no improvements to our infrastructure at all and the team we've been building would be out of the door faster than wind out of duck's arse. Plus de Boer has no experience of getting a relegated team back up, let alone doing it in the Championship. As has already been pointed out, Dyche is the one with the track record for promotions from the second tier. The bottom line is, if we were to go down you should be "worried", very worried indeed. so we should have recruited a manager based on the eventuality of getting relegated and who would be best to get us back up?
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Originally posted by bexleydave

Make no mistake, if we were to be relegated, whoever is in charge, it would be a disaster both on and off the pitch. We would have nothing whatsoever to show for five years in the PL; no improvements to our infrastructure at all and the team we've been building would be out of the door faster than wind out of duck's arse. Plus de Boer has no experience of getting a relegated team back up, let alone doing it in the Championship. As has already been pointed out, Dyche is the one with the track record for promotions from the second tier. The bottom line is, if we were to go down you should be "worried", very worried indeed.

so we should have recruited a manager based on the eventuality of getting relegated and who would be best to get us back up?

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Petereagle Brockley 29 Jun 17 12.14pm
Originally posted by Frickin Saweet so we should have recruited a manager based on the eventuality of getting relegated and who would be best to get us back up? No, we should have recruited someone most likely to achieve midtable stability. De Boer has said that's his main aim next season. I think he has a decent chance of achieving it if he takes onboard Rudi's wise advice!
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Brockley 29 Jun 17 12.14pm

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

so we should have recruited a manager based on the eventuality of getting relegated and who would be best to get us back up?

No, we should have recruited someone most likely to achieve midtable stability. De Boer has said that's his main aim next season. I think he has a decent chance of achieving it if he takes onboard Rudi's wise advice!

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Jun 17 12.23pm
I understand why Parish has done what he's done, even though it might be because Southampton didn't want Frank and we might've wanted Pellegrino. Watching us in the early '80s you just knew it wasn't going to last without a bit of possession. Him and Mark Bright have no doubt discussed this over and over. We always relied on magic or bounce of the ball whereas possession teams get their steady points so it never matters in the grand scheme of things if they lose a game. It's evened out over even just a month. It's just it's half a season after 'winding the clock back.' Maybe the 3 permanent players and another few take us closer to being there, possibly. But we aren't there and everyone should respect the fact we aren't. Players, management team, fans, everyone. This really is a transition season rather than an excuse for delivering results below finances deserve, or justifying contract extension. There will be hiccups. We will still get beaten by a struggler. 'Go on then, have the ball, we know you can't break us down yet.' So he needs to stick to his word that 'winning comes before style', although I'd add that's over time. He did also add the need for a few different styles. Again a learning curve but probably needed for long term top league stability. COYP
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Caterham 29 Jun 17 12.23pm

I understand why Parish has done what he's done, even though it might be because Southampton didn't want Frank and we might've wanted Pellegrino. Watching us in the early '80s you just knew it wasn't going to last without a bit of possession. Him and Mark Bright have no doubt discussed this over and over. We always relied on magic or bounce of the ball whereas possession teams get their steady points so it never matters in the grand scheme of things if they lose a game. It's evened out over even just a month.

It's just it's half a season after 'winding the clock back.' Maybe the 3 permanent players and another few take us closer to being there, possibly. But we aren't there and everyone should respect the fact we aren't. Players, management team, fans, everyone. This really is a transition season rather than an excuse for delivering results below finances deserve, or justifying contract extension. There will be hiccups. We will still get beaten by a struggler. 'Go on then, have the ball, we know you can't break us down yet.' So he needs to stick to his word that 'winning comes before style', although I'd add that's over time. He did also add the need for a few different styles. Again a learning curve but probably needed for long term top league stability.

COYP

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majorkaios Trowbridge, Wilts 29 Jun 17 12.34pm
Originally posted by Frickin Saweet so we should have recruited a manager based on the eventuality of getting relegated and who would be best to get us back up? In my opinion, we have the best man for the job for all eventualities... we are very unlikely to go down, and I wont be suprised if we might grab some silverwear in FDB's first year the way Wilf is flying. I Hope Zaha is still fully charged and Andros comes out firing on all cylinders. Benteke, Punchoen, Maca and Cabaye diong their magic and a solid back four. We are going to be a headache for any oposition. School, SN.Juniors, SN High, Selhurst. 1st match 1972 CP 2 N. Utd 1. Thank you, John Jackson and Vince Hilair for brightening our darkest days. I moved to the west country in 1983. Always Proud and 'Glad All Over' to be a Palace Fan. ))
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Trowbridge, Wilts 29 Jun 17 12.34pm

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

so we should have recruited a manager based on the eventuality of getting relegated and who would be best to get us back up?

In my opinion, we have the best man for the job for all eventualities... we are very unlikely to go down, and I wont be suprised if we might grab some silverwear in FDB's first year the way Wilf is flying.

I Hope Zaha is still fully charged and Andros comes out firing on all cylinders. Benteke, Punchoen, Maca and Cabaye diong their magic and a solid back four. We are going to be a headache for any oposition.

School, SN.Juniors, SN High, Selhurst. 1st match 1972 CP 2 N. Utd 1. Thank you, John Jackson and Vince Hilair for brightening our darkest days. I moved to the west country in 1983. Always Proud and 'Glad All Over' to be a Palace Fan. ))

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Midlands Eagle 29 Jun 17 1.13pm
Originally posted by Frickin Saweet so we should have recruited a manager based on the eventuality of getting relegated and who would be best to get us back up? Very naughty. You have taken bd's comment out of context as it was a response to someone that said he wouldn't mind if the club were relegated
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

so we should have recruited a manager based on the eventuality of getting relegated and who would be best to get us back up?

Very naughty. You have taken bd's comment out of context as it was a response to someone that said he wouldn't mind if the club were relegated

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spartakev2 Anerley 29 Jun 17 1.30pm
Personally I don't get this 'we haven't got the players to play possession football' these are players earning thousand of pounds a week, and they can't play 'keep ball'. What a sad stats of affairs. Surely it's just a case of getting the playear to change their mentality and work hard on a new system.
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Anerley 29 Jun 17 1.30pm

Personally I don't get this 'we haven't got the players to play possession football' these are players earning thousand of pounds a week, and they can't play 'keep ball'. What a sad stats of affairs. Surely it's just a case of getting the playear to change their mentality and work hard on a new system.

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bexleydave Barnehurst 29 Jun 17 1.37pm
Originally posted by Frickin Saweet so we should have recruited a manager based on the eventuality of getting relegated and who would be best to get us back up? As has already been pointed out, I was responding to a specific comment relating to lack of concern with respect to being relegated, which of course you knew. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 29 Jun 17 1.37pm

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

so we should have recruited a manager based on the eventuality of getting relegated and who would be best to get us back up?

As has already been pointed out, I was responding to a specific comment relating to lack of concern with respect to being relegated, which of course you knew.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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DutchEagleJohan Vlissingen, Netherlands 29 Jun 17 2.05pm
exactly there you have the reason for our long lasting poor home form. We have been counter attacking and in phases have been very good at it, but just another coach with a possessive/controlling philosophy is not going to change that. Some tweaking and fine tuning should hopefully bring out the best of the players we've got and a few quality additions both in defense and in broadening the squad. I am not miserably or negative but I do cringe when people talk about top 8. Shall we first stay up again Originally posted by Rudi Hedman If we are in a very dangerous position in December then it is likely Parish would sack anyone. I'm not saying that we will be, just that if we are, the odds are on the sack, for anyone. If that happens it will be because some of the things said have been ignored and the manager has done, like many managers do, and that's do his thing, ignoring the situation the club and squad is in. Slow and gradual and we should be okay, although I'm a bit concerned all out of the top 8 will let us have the ball at home, and we'll take it and struggle to win with it.
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exactly there you have the reason for our long lasting poor home form. We have been counter attacking and in phases have been very good at it, but just another coach with a possessive/controlling philosophy is not going to change that. Some tweaking and fine tuning should hopefully bring out the best of the players we've got and a few quality additions both in defense and in broadening the squad.
I am not miserably or negative but I do cringe when people talk about top 8. Shall we first stay up again

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

If we are in a very dangerous position in December then it is likely Parish would sack anyone. I'm not saying that we will be, just that if we are, the odds are on the sack, for anyone.

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DutchEagleJohan Vlissingen, Netherlands 29 Jun 17 2.08pm
One of the most over simplifying comments I have ever read in my life. Football may not be science but there is more to it then paying some blokes a good wage then expect them to do whatever....... Originally posted by spartakev2 Personally I don't get this 'we haven't got the players to play possession football' these are players earning thousand of pounds a week, and they can't play 'keep ball'. What a sad stats of affairs. Surely it's just a case of getting the playear to change their mentality and work hard on a new system.
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Vlissingen, Netherlands 29 Jun 17 2.08pm

One of the most over simplifying comments I have ever read in my life. Football may not be science but there is more to it then paying some blokes a good wage then expect them to do whatever.......

Originally posted by spartakev2

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spartakev2 Anerley 29 Jun 17 2.37pm
Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan One of the most over simplifying comments I have ever read in my life. Football may not be science but there is more to it then paying some blokes a good wage then expect them to do whatever....... Whatever? Is it too much to expect a premiership player to be able to pass the ball 10 yards to a team mate? We seemed to do it pretty well when pardew was trying it, sadly the players werent fit enough and the defence was so s**t we still lost. But there was enough shown to suggest the players are capable of possession football if they are trained properly and fit enough.
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Anerley 29 Jun 17 2.37pm

Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan

One of the most over simplifying comments I have ever read in my life. Football may not be science but there is more to it then paying some blokes a good wage then expect them to do whatever.......

Whatever? Is it too much to expect a premiership player to be able to pass the ball 10 yards to a team mate? We seemed to do it pretty well when pardew was trying it, sadly the players werent fit enough and the defence was so s**t we still lost. But there was enough shown to suggest the players are capable of possession football if they are trained properly and fit enough.

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Ray in Houston Houston 29 Jun 17 2.51pm
Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan To be perfectly honest I had and still have doubts about him being compatible with us. In general the Dutch (over)rate possession, and when he took charge of Ajax after Martin Jol left he had them play the ultimate control game. Very much in a way that van Gaal likes too, but unless you have the highest standard of players I think it is hard to combine it with being attractive. He did win several consecutive league's but the way the team played was often criticized as being boring and overly controlling. As you can tell from my signature, I'm not a fan of possession for possession's sake. It works for Barcelona because they have three legitimate game-breakers playing up top; but when Spain did it, they won the World Cup by scoring less than a goal a game and I slept through almost all of it. van Gaal's Utd were terribly dull and even Arsenal are mostly dull, only occasionally coming to life. Can Zaha, Benteke and Townsend be a South London version of Messi, Neymar and Suarez? Possibly... Edited by Ray in Houston (29 Jun 2017 2.52pm) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan

To be perfectly honest I had and still have doubts about him being compatible with us. In general the Dutch (over)rate possession, and when he took charge of Ajax after Martin Jol left he had them play the ultimate control game. Very much in a way that van Gaal likes too, but unless you have the highest standard of players I think it is hard to combine it with being attractive. He did win several consecutive league's but the way the team played was often criticized as being boring and overly controlling.

As you can tell from my signature, I'm not a fan of possession for possession's sake. It works for Barcelona because they have three legitimate game-breakers playing up top; but when Spain did it, they won the World Cup by scoring less than a goal a game and I slept through almost all of it. van Gaal's Utd were terribly dull and even Arsenal are mostly dull, only occasionally coming to life.

Can Zaha, Benteke and Townsend be a South London version of Messi, Neymar and Suarez? Possibly...

Edited by Ray in Houston (29 Jun 2017 2.52pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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