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7mins Flag In the bush 04 Dec 16 9.36pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

And your responses so far using silly acronyms to big yourself up just makes you look like the bog cleaner in the pub pretending to be the landlord.

I can be just as insulting as you can if I want to be.

I notice you didn't answer my question?
RSSB were worried about taking away the TCOC and SCB from guards, what are your thoughts on this?

I'm guessing you know what a guard is trained to do, because only a moron would say they're not needed and have no idea what they are actually trained to do.

So if I could respectfully ask you to answer my question, that would be fab dear old boy.

(If you're gonna ramble on like a thicko and not answer the question, you leave me with no choice but to assume you're a loud empty vessel who has no idea what he is talking about)


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Edited by 7mins (04 Dec 2016 9.37pm)

 

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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 04 Dec 16 9.46pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by 7mins

The strike is wholly legitimate. DOO is less safe... I worked to introduce it for years. I've sat in meetings where management have admitted it's less safe... but could we muddy the waters enough to get this thru. Halfing the safety trained staff is always going to impact safety... only a moron would say otherwise. The head of safety changed jobs at my company (he moved to driver training) he didn't wanna sign off on DOO. Now I don't know if it went against his morals or it was self preservation.., but he didn't want his name on DOO.
I spoke to a ex colleague last night... she says some middle management are voicing concerns. Also Southern lied about sickness and they also implemented a overtime ban(they thought staff would fund strike days with overtime) Southern denied this publicly, a few managers went broken arrow and released memos on social media proving Southern were lying.
There is now a massive distrust between senior and middle management. One manager also released sickness stats proving Southern were lying about high levels of sickness.

Edited by 7mins (04 Dec 2016 10.52am)

Interesting that you use the term less safe ratheir than unsafe. They are not necessarily the same.

Also I doubt anyone would disagree that Southern are a shower of s*** and have been caught lying about lots of things this year. Southern and their franchise is a separate issue.


Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (04 Dec 2016 9.48pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 04 Dec 16 9.46pm

Originally posted by 7mins

I notice you didn't answer my question?
RSSB were worried about taking away the TCOC and SCB from guards, what are your thoughts on this?

I'm guessing you know what a guard is trained to do, because only a moron would say they're not needed and have no idea what they are actually trained to do.

So if I could respectfully ask you to answer my question, that would be fab dear old boy.

(If you're gonna ramble on like a thicko and not answer the question, you leave me with no choice but to assume you're a loud empty vessel who has no idea what he is talking about)


Love n light

X

Edited by 7mins (04 Dec 2016 9.37pm)

You forget that we live in an age where expertise and truth no longer matter.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 04 Dec 16 9.48pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Interesting that you use the term less safe ratheir than unsafe. The www are not necessarily the same.

Also I doubt anyone would disagree that Southern are a shower of s*** and have been caught lying about lots of things this year. Southern and their franchise is a separate issue.

I've heard from a couple of RMT mates that southern got the franchise as they were deemed to be the best choice for union busting.

 

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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 04 Dec 16 9.53pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

I've heard from a couple of RMT mates that southern got the franchise as they were deemed to be the best choice for union busting.

It certainly wasn't based on their ability to run any sort of service

To think people used to complain about Connex

 


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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 04 Dec 16 10.14pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

I've heard from a couple of RMT mates that southern got the franchise as they were deemed to be the best choice for union busting.

....so no bias there then I presume?

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 04 Dec 16 10.43pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

....so no bias there then I presume?

Dunno. Why say it if it's cobblers. I would not call it bias though.

 

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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 04 Dec 16 11.20pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Dunno. Why say it if it's cobblers. I would not call it bias though.

Wasn't this franchise awarded to this company under a Labour government? I wouldn't of thought that they would want to do too much to upset their union counterparts....

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 04 Dec 16 11.53pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

Wasn't this franchise awarded to this company under a Labour government? I wouldn't of thought that they would want to do too much to upset their union counterparts....

Govia (the parent company) have the franchise for between 2014 to 2021 according to wiki.

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 04 Dec 16 11.56pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

....so no bias there then I presume?

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Heres the socialist rag, inside croydon's take on things.

 

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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 05 Dec 16 12.08am Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Govia (the parent company) have the franchise for between 2014 to 2021 according to wiki.

Worthy of Paul Daniels himself. They are still the same company as when they were awarded their franchise they just changed their name for marketing purposes....

 


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7mins Flag In the bush 05 Dec 16 9.34am Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

Worthy of Paul Daniels himself. They are still the same company as when they were awarded their franchise they just changed their name for marketing purposes....

This current franchise is the only one of its kind. Southern are paid a management fee... I left before this current deal was negotiated. Ex colleagues tell me Southern wanted this kind of deal (no financial risk) if DfT wanted them to go to war with the unions. See Peter Wilkinson's speech in Feb (I think). Southern have wanted rid of guards/platform/ticket office staff for the duration of my employment. Minimum staff = maximum profit. Pressure from shareholders was immense

 

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