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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 03 Sep 15 3.53pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Sep 2015 3.43pm Quote leggedstruggle at 03 Sep 2015 2.47pm The left try to play down the fact that it is basically a Catholic/Protestant thing. Imagine if the Reformation had not taken place in England. The English settlers/invaders in Ireland would have been Catholics. Many years ago a united and independent Ireland would have come about, probably without any violence at all. I don't think you can dismiss it entirely, especially in regards to the rise of 'troubles' in the 60s, the origin of the Provisional IRA and the UK military in NI relates entirely to Protests 'burning out' Catholics. The Provisional split from the IRA over the official IRA's hesitancy to take a direct hand, and British troops initially were sent to Ireland to protect Catholic communities. And the Proddies love the national anthem, so to say they aren't nationalist is bit silly. However a look across the England football when they should all be singing the national anthem will show the level of pride in being English these days. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 03 Sep 15 3.53pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Sep 2015 3.43pm

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The left try to play down the fact that it is basically a Catholic/Protestant thing. Imagine if the Reformation had not taken place in England. The English settlers/invaders in Ireland would have been Catholics. Many years ago a united and independent Ireland would have come about, probably without any violence at all.

I don't think you can dismiss it entirely, especially in regards to the rise of 'troubles' in the 60s, the origin of the Provisional IRA and the UK military in NI relates entirely to Protests 'burning out' Catholics.

The Provisional split from the IRA over the official IRA's hesitancy to take a direct hand, and British troops initially were sent to Ireland to protect Catholic communities.

And the Proddies love the national anthem, so to say they aren't nationalist is bit silly.

However a look across the England football when they should all be singing the national anthem will show the level of pride in being English these days.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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bright&wright 03 Sep 15 4.26pm
If the shoe was on the other foot, the Syrian's wouldn't pss on us if we were on fire. Maybe we should take back the billions of pounds we provide in aid if they are going to bgger off over here anyway. Also, people shouting 'No Camp, No Camp' and demanding to be released from Hungary? Since when did desperate refugees start making demands? Come to bend-over Britain and I guarantee, backed up by hoards of liberal idiots, there'll be a march in London full of Syrians demanding 'no Terrace house, we want a Semi!'. Edited by bright&wright (03 Sep 2015 4.26pm) 'We are going to make a little bit of history here’ Mr. J. Ertl.
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If the shoe was on the other foot, the Syrian's wouldn't p*ss on us if we were on fire.

Maybe we should take back the billions of pounds we provide in aid if they are going to b*gger off over here anyway.

Also, people shouting 'No Camp, No Camp' and demanding to be released from Hungary? Since when did desperate refugees start making demands?

Come to bend-over Britain and I guarantee, backed up by hoards of liberal idiots, there'll be a march in London full of Syrians demanding 'no Terrace house, we want a Semi!'.

Edited by bright&wright (03 Sep 2015 4.26pm)

'We are going to make a little bit of history here’ Mr. J. Ertl.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Sep 15 4.40pm
Quote bright&wright at 03 Sep 2015 4.26pm *If the shoe was on the other foot, the Syrian's wouldn't pss on us if we were on fire.** Maybe we should take back the billions of pounds we provide in aid if they are going to b*gger off over here anyway. Also, people shouting 'No Camp, No Camp' and demanding to be released from Hungary? Since when did desperate refugees start making demands? Come to bend-over Britain and I guarantee, backed up by hoards of liberal idiots, there'll be a march in London full of Syrians demanding 'no Terrace house, we want a Semi!'. Edited by bright&wright (03 Sep 2015 4.26pm) Maybe not, but that's hardly the point. Technically the UK does not give Foreign Aid to Syria. The 900m spent on humanitarian relief isn't under the perview of the Syrian government, but via organizations such as NGO's the Red Cross etc. I don't think I ever heard anyone campaigning for a 'semi' though. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote bright&wright at 03 Sep 2015 4.26pm

If the shoe was on the other foot, the Syrian's wouldn't p*ss on us if we were on fire.

Maybe we should take back the billions of pounds we provide in aid if they are going to b*gger off over here anyway.

Also, people shouting 'No Camp, No Camp' and demanding to be released from Hungary? Since when did desperate refugees start making demands?

Come to bend-over Britain and I guarantee, backed up by hoards of liberal idiots, there'll be a march in London full of Syrians demanding 'no Terrace house, we want a Semi!'.

Edited by bright&wright (03 Sep 2015 4.26pm)

Maybe not, but that's hardly the point. Technically the UK does not give Foreign Aid to Syria. The 900m spent on humanitarian relief isn't under the perview of the Syrian government, but via organizations such as NGO's the Red Cross etc.

I don't think I ever heard anyone campaigning for a 'semi' though.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Sep 15 4.41pm
Quote bright&wright at 03 Sep 2015 4.26pm If the shoe was on the other foot, the Syrian's wouldn't pss on us if we were on fire. Maybe we should take back the billions of pounds we provide in aid if they are going to bgger off over here anyway. Also, people shouting 'No Camp, No Camp' and demanding to be released from Hungary? Since when did desperate refugees start making demands? Come to bend-over Britain and I guarantee, backed up by hoards of liberal idiots, there'll be a march in London full of Syrians demanding 'no Terrace house, we want a Semi!'. Edited by bright&wright (03 Sep 2015 4.26pm) Just a caution, be careful with the rhetoric and ranting "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote bright&wright at 03 Sep 2015 4.26pm

If the shoe was on the other foot, the Syrian's wouldn't p*ss on us if we were on fire.

Maybe we should take back the billions of pounds we provide in aid if they are going to b*gger off over here anyway.

Also, people shouting 'No Camp, No Camp' and demanding to be released from Hungary? Since when did desperate refugees start making demands?

Come to bend-over Britain and I guarantee, backed up by hoards of liberal idiots, there'll be a march in London full of Syrians demanding 'no Terrace house, we want a Semi!'.

Edited by bright&wright (03 Sep 2015 4.26pm)

Just a caution, be careful with the rhetoric and ranting

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leggedstruggle Croydon 03 Sep 15 4.42pm
Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 3.53pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Sep 2015 3.43pm Quote leggedstruggle at 03 Sep 2015 2.47pm The left try to play down the fact that it is basically a Catholic/Protestant thing. Imagine if the Reformation had not taken place in England. The English settlers/invaders in Ireland would have been Catholics. Many years ago a united and independent Ireland would have come about, probably without any violence at all. I don't think you can dismiss it entirely, especially in regards to the rise of 'troubles' in the 60s, the origin of the Provisional IRA and the UK military in NI relates entirely to Protests 'burning out' Catholics. The Provisional split from the IRA over the official IRA's hesitancy to take a direct hand, and British troops initially were sent to Ireland to protect Catholic communities. And the Proddies love the national anthem, so to say they aren't nationalist is bit silly. However a look across the England football when they should all be singing the national anthem will show the level of pride in being English these days. Yes indeed, the troops were sent to protect the Catholics - how they were thanked! The Protestants might sing the British National Anthem, but mainly to annoy the Catholics. Same with Rangers and Celtic in Scotland - as Scots, both groups dislike the English, but Rangers fans sing Protestant songs and the National Anthem while Celtic fans sing IRA songs and booed during a minute's silence on the death of the Queen Mother. It is the same old Protestant v Catholic antagonism. Of course the left has to pretend such antagonisms do not exist among people of different religions and cultural history. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 3.53pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Sep 2015 3.43pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 03 Sep 2015 2.47pm

The Provisional split from the IRA over the official IRA's hesitancy to take a direct hand, and British troops initially were sent to Ireland to protect Catholic communities.

And the Proddies love the national anthem, so to say they aren't nationalist is bit silly.

However a look across the England football when they should all be singing the national anthem will show the level of pride in being English these days.

Yes indeed, the troops were sent to protect the Catholics - how they were thanked! The Protestants might sing the British National Anthem, but mainly to annoy the Catholics. Same with Rangers and Celtic in Scotland - as Scots, both groups dislike the English, but Rangers fans sing Protestant songs and the National Anthem while Celtic fans sing IRA songs and booed during a minute's silence on the death of the Queen Mother. It is the same old Protestant v Catholic antagonism. Of course the left has to pretend such antagonisms do not exist among people of different religions and cultural history.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Sep 15 4.44pm
Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 3.53pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Sep 2015 3.43pm Quote leggedstruggle at 03 Sep 2015 2.47pm The left try to play down the fact that it is basically a Catholic/Protestant thing. Imagine if the Reformation had not taken place in England. The English settlers/invaders in Ireland would have been Catholics. Many years ago a united and independent Ireland would have come about, probably without any violence at all. I don't think you can dismiss it entirely, especially in regards to the rise of 'troubles' in the 60s, the origin of the Provisional IRA and the UK military in NI relates entirely to Protests 'burning out' Catholics. The Provisional split from the IRA over the official IRA's hesitancy to take a direct hand, and British troops initially were sent to Ireland to protect Catholic communities. And the Proddies love the national anthem, so to say they aren't nationalist is bit silly. However a look across the England football when they should all be singing the national anthem will show the level of pride in being English these days. I object to the notion of servitude to an antiquated form of governance by a hereditary elite. I'm happy to sing along with Jerusalem. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 03 Sep 15 4.44pm

Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 3.53pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Sep 2015 3.43pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 03 Sep 2015 2.47pm

The Provisional split from the IRA over the official IRA's hesitancy to take a direct hand, and British troops initially were sent to Ireland to protect Catholic communities.

And the Proddies love the national anthem, so to say they aren't nationalist is bit silly.

However a look across the England football when they should all be singing the national anthem will show the level of pride in being English these days.

I object to the notion of servitude to an antiquated form of governance by a hereditary elite.

I'm happy to sing along with Jerusalem.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Sep 15 4.46pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 03 Sep 2015 4.42pm Quote dannyh at 03 Sep 2015 3.53pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Sep 2015 3.43pm Quote leggedstruggle at 03 Sep 2015 2.47pm The left try to play down the fact that it is basically a Catholic/Protestant thing. Imagine if the Reformation had not taken place in England. The English settlers/invaders in Ireland would have been Catholics. Many years ago a united and independent Ireland would have come about, probably without any violence at all. I don't think you can dismiss it entirely, especially in regards to the rise of 'troubles' in the 60s, the origin of the Provisional IRA and the UK military in NI relates entirely to Protests 'burning out' Catholics. The Provisional split from the IRA over the official IRA's hesitancy to take a direct hand, and British troops initially were sent to Ireland to protect Catholic communities. And the Proddies love the national anthem, so to say they aren't nationalist is bit silly. However a look across the England football when they should all be singing the national anthem will show the level of pride in being English these days. Yes indeed, the troops were sent to protect the Catholics - how they were thanked! The Protestants might sing the British National Anthem, but mainly to annoy the Catholics. Same with Rangers and Celtic in Scotland - as Scots, both groups dislike the English, but Rangers fans sing Protestant songs and the National Anthem while Celtic fans sing IRA songs and booed during a minute's silence on the death of the Queen Mother. It is the same old Protestant v Catholic antagonism. Of course the left has to pretend such antagonisms do not exist among people of different religions and cultural history. I thought you were going to get through an entire post without having a pop at the left. So close Of course neither the loyalist factions nor the republican factions were entirely comprised of prods or caths. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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The Provisional split from the IRA over the official IRA's hesitancy to take a direct hand, and British troops initially were sent to Ireland to protect Catholic communities.

And the Proddies love the national anthem, so to say they aren't nationalist is bit silly.

However a look across the England football when they should all be singing the national anthem will show the level of pride in being English these days.

I thought you were going to get through an entire post without having a pop at the left. So close

Of course neither the loyalist factions nor the republican factions were entirely comprised of prods or caths.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 03 Sep 15 4.47pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Sep 2015 4.41pm Quote bright&wright at 03 Sep 2015 4.26pm If the shoe was on the other foot, the Syrian's wouldn't pss on us if we were on fire. Maybe we should take back the billions of pounds we provide in aid if they are going to bgger off over here anyway. Also, people shouting 'No Camp, No Camp' and demanding to be released from Hungary? Since when did desperate refugees start making demands? Come to bend-over Britain and I guarantee, backed up by hoards of liberal idiots, there'll be a march in London full of Syrians demanding 'no Terrace house, we want a Semi!'. Edited by bright&wright (03 Sep 2015 4.26pm) Just a caution, be careful with the rhetoric and ranting Just a mate pointing something out, ranting is one thing, he is merely expressing an opinion, just becuase you dont agree with it doesnt make it a rant. Just saying... "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 03 Sep 15 4.47pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Sep 2015 4.41pm

Quote bright&wright at 03 Sep 2015 4.26pm

If the shoe was on the other foot, the Syrian's wouldn't p*ss on us if we were on fire.

Maybe we should take back the billions of pounds we provide in aid if they are going to b*gger off over here anyway.

Also, people shouting 'No Camp, No Camp' and demanding to be released from Hungary? Since when did desperate refugees start making demands?

Come to bend-over Britain and I guarantee, backed up by hoards of liberal idiots, there'll be a march in London full of Syrians demanding 'no Terrace house, we want a Semi!'.

Edited by bright&wright (03 Sep 2015 4.26pm)

Just a caution, be careful with the rhetoric and ranting

Just a mate pointing something out, ranting is one thing, he is merely expressing an opinion, just becuase you dont agree with it doesnt make it a rant.

Just saying...

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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Kermit8 Hevon 03 Sep 15 4.56pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Sep 2015 4.41pm Quote bright&wright at 03 Sep 2015 4.26pm If the shoe was on the other foot, the Syrian's wouldn't pss on us if we were on fire. Maybe we should take back the billions of pounds we provide in aid if they are going to bgger off over here anyway. Also, people shouting 'No Camp, No Camp' and demanding to be released from Hungary? Since when did desperate refugees start making demands? Come to bend-over Britain and I guarantee, backed up by hoards of liberal idiots, there'll be a march in London full of Syrians demanding 'no Terrace house, we want a Semi!'. Edited by bright&wright (03 Sep 2015 4.26pm) Just a caution, be careful with the rhetoric and ranting He's always been a right ranter, that one. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Sep 2015 4.41pm

Quote bright&wright at 03 Sep 2015 4.26pm

If the shoe was on the other foot, the Syrian's wouldn't p*ss on us if we were on fire.

Maybe we should take back the billions of pounds we provide in aid if they are going to b*gger off over here anyway.

Also, people shouting 'No Camp, No Camp' and demanding to be released from Hungary? Since when did desperate refugees start making demands?

Come to bend-over Britain and I guarantee, backed up by hoards of liberal idiots, there'll be a march in London full of Syrians demanding 'no Terrace house, we want a Semi!'.

Edited by bright&wright (03 Sep 2015 4.26pm)

Just a caution, be careful with the rhetoric and ranting

He's always been a right ranter, that one.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Stirlingsays 03 Sep 15 4.59pm
Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 8.52am Are they the only two options then? Fighting in war or going somewhere for a 'cushy life'. Nice choice of language. Maybe by virtue that many actually risk their lives to get here too, they want to avoid war AND work hard. Maybe that's an option. With yours and the other blokes reply it's all about trying to debase these people so you don't have to care about them. "doubt their worth", "free loaders the lot of them", "cushy life". Again, I'd rather support those who stand and fight rather than the kind of cowardly young men you support. You said nothing about the people standing in Syria fighting IS.....Instead it's all about supporting those that run. Though if I had the choice I'd probably swap you with a vouched for Kurd. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 8.52am

Are they the only two options then? Fighting in war or going somewhere for a 'cushy life'. Nice choice of language. Maybe by virtue that many actually risk their lives to get here too, they want to avoid war AND work hard. Maybe that's an option.

With yours and the other blokes reply it's all about trying to debase these people so you don't have to care about them. "doubt their worth", "free loaders the lot of them", "cushy life".

Again, I'd rather support those who stand and fight rather than the kind of cowardly young men you support.

You said nothing about the people standing in Syria fighting IS.....Instead it's all about supporting those that run.

Though if I had the choice I'd probably swap you with a vouched for Kurd.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 03 Sep 15 5.03pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 03 Sep 2015 4.59pm Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 8.52am Are they the only two options then? Fighting in war or going somewhere for a 'cushy life'. Nice choice of language. Maybe by virtue that many actually risk their lives to get here too, they want to avoid war AND work hard. Maybe that's an option. With yours and the other blokes reply it's all about trying to debase these people so you don't have to care about them. "doubt their worth", "free loaders the lot of them", "cushy life". Again, I'd rather support those who stand and fight rather than the kind of cowardly young men you support. You said nothing about the people standing in Syria fighting IS.....Instead it's all about supporting those that run. Though if I had the choice I'd probably swap you with a vouched for Kurd. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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Quote Stirlingsays at 03 Sep 2015 4.59pm

Quote oldcodger at 03 Sep 2015 8.52am

With yours and the other blokes reply it's all about trying to debase these people so you don't have to care about them. "doubt their worth", "free loaders the lot of them", "cushy life".

Again, I'd rather support those who stand and fight rather than the kind of cowardly young men you support.

You said nothing about the people standing in Syria fighting IS.....Instead it's all about supporting those that run.

Though if I had the choice I'd probably swap you with a vouched for Kurd.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Sep 15 5.04pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Sep 2015 3.40pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 03 Sep 2015 2.26pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Sep 2015 1.21pm Ironically, UKIP Nige seems to think we should be taking in more Syrian Refugees, and has called on the Prime Minister to do so. We should never confuse immigration with Asylum. A key point. Their needs to be a better processing of migrants/refugees. Those that really need help should be prioritised. One of the problems with this is that we are bound by rules that say we must allow free movement from European countries and have also had large numbers of economic migrants arriving from elsewhere. This means that, to many, refugees seem like they are adding to a growing problem rather than being seen as victims and statistically insignificant. They are being demonised because of years of excessive, poorly managed immigration which has turned a large number of the voting public against it. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (03 Sep 2015 2.26pm) A valid point of course is that had we not agreed to the EU right to work, taking in a large number of refugees wouldn't be an issue. Problem of course is that the driver behind the EU working laws, was corporate interests, who were sponsors of both the Conservative and Labour party of the time, so there never was a chance of us not signing up. Exactly. One wonders if the average man's standard of living has benefited as much as commerce and finance. It's hard to say, however it is likely that the already rich have benefited a lot more and that the average man was not the first thing on their minds. Altruism is unlikely to be a factor in any of this I'm afraid.
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Ironically, UKIP Nige seems to think we should be taking in more Syrian Refugees, and has called on the Prime Minister to do so.

We should never confuse immigration with Asylum.

A key point. Their needs to be a better processing of migrants/refugees. Those that really need help should be prioritised.
One of the problems with this is that we are bound by rules that say we must allow free movement from European countries and have also had large numbers of economic migrants arriving from elsewhere. This means that, to many, refugees seem like they are adding to a growing problem rather than being seen as victims and statistically insignificant.
They are being demonised because of years of excessive, poorly managed immigration which has turned a large number of the voting public against it.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (03 Sep 2015 2.26pm)

A valid point of course is that had we not agreed to the EU right to work, taking in a large number of refugees wouldn't be an issue.

Problem of course is that the driver behind the EU working laws, was corporate interests, who were sponsors of both the Conservative and Labour party of the time, so there never was a chance of us not signing up.

Exactly.

One wonders if the average man's standard of living has benefited as much as commerce and finance. It's hard to say, however it is likely that the already rich have benefited a lot more and that the average man was not the first thing on their minds.

Altruism is unlikely to be a factor in any of this I'm afraid.

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