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No. Where you find rough you try to change things for the better. A healthy society is in a constant state of self-examination and revision. It's not static and f*** off if you don't like it. That's what hallmarks a democracy which, thank God, we are. Depends what the 'special revisions' the OP is referring to, doesn't it? If a 'special revision' was that, lets say, 'Sharia Law' was permitted within certain sections of the community then I'd agree with the OP. One law for one people. Not a mix and match. To mind that would be the antithesis of democracy. Of course the law in the UK is already different for Scots, Northern Irish and people from the Isle of Man. I'd be hesitant about incorporation of aspects of Sharia law more because not all Muslims want Sharia law, its massively open to interpretation and abuse and varies according to different Islamic faith. That said, I also think that its many people also deliberately disrespect Islamic faith in a way that's deliberately antagonistic, for their own ends, and call it free speech / expression. They probably call expressing an opinion free speech, because that is what it is. I suppose you appreciate why cartoonist are killed and the likes of Rushdie have to go into hiding for exercising free speech. Why shouldn't people be free to 'disrespect' Islam - Jerry Springer, the Opera was free to disrespect Christianity. Free speech isn't free of consequences. Rushdie, I feel somewhat sorry for, but I do feel less sympathy when its people who have persistently poked the snake with a stick, and then complained that its bitten them. If you keep deliberately antagonizing people for your own ends, you shouldn't be too surprised if the crazy's among those people retaliate. Charlie Hebdo was notably targeted because its cartoons were specifically stating that the actions of Islamists were a disgrace and an insult to Islam, and the Prophet. But if you keep insulting people, without reason, it shouldn't come as a great surprise when people get very upset with it. I'm afraid I don't share you attitude on this.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jun 2015 10.09am
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No. Where you find rough you try to change things for the better. A healthy society is in a constant state of self-examination and revision. It's not static and f*** off if you don't like it. That's what hallmarks a democracy which, thank God, we are. Depends what the 'special revisions' the OP is referring to, doesn't it? If a 'special revision' was that, lets say, 'Sharia Law' was permitted within certain sections of the community then I'd agree with the OP. One law for one people. Not a mix and match. To mind that would be the antithesis of democracy. Of course the law in the UK is already different for Scots, Northern Irish and people from the Isle of Man. I'd be hesitant about incorporation of aspects of Sharia law more because not all Muslims want Sharia law, its massively open to interpretation and abuse and varies according to different Islamic faith. That said, I also think that its many people also deliberately disrespect Islamic faith in a way that's deliberately antagonistic, for their own ends, and call it free speech / expression. They probably call expressing an opinion free speech, because that is what it is. I suppose you appreciate why cartoonist are killed and the likes of Rushdie have to go into hiding for exercising free speech. Why shouldn't people be free to 'disrespect' Islam - Jerry Springer, the Opera was free to disrespect Christianity. Free speech isn't free of consequences. Rushdie, I feel somewhat sorry for, but I do feel less sympathy when its people who have persistently poked the snake with a stick, and then complained that its bitten them. If you keep deliberately antagonizing people for your own ends, you shouldn't be too surprised if the crazy's among those people retaliate. Charlie Hebdo was notably targeted because its cartoons were specifically stating that the actions of Islamists were a disgrace and an insult to Islam, and the Prophet. But if you keep insulting people, without reason, it shouldn't come as a great surprise when people get very upset with it. But you accept the right for people to voice such opinions? And you accept that reacting by killing people or seeking to kill them is unlawful and should be punished?
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All credit to the relatives and members of this church for their incredible reaction. This is the Christian faith in action. Hate, no not for us.
A lesson to all wannabe rabble-rousing hate mongers. Hitler made himself look a total ass and so will you. Edited by Kermit8 (22 Jun 2015 9.17am) Good post Kerm. I know believing in Jesus is not a popular choice round these parts, but this is a potent example of where doing just that shows itself in a perfect light. You think 'forgiving' these creatures makes it less likely that it will happen again?
Most importantly they are demonstrating their faith in the most difficult and powerful way possible. The true message of Jesus was love, compassion and forgiveness. All power to them for their strength in the most difficult of times. Its not popular round here to say faith is a positive thing, but here it is demonstrated so powerfully that I'd like to see even The Judge refute it.
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| TheJudge 22 Jun 15 10.27am |
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All credit to the relatives and members of this church for their incredible reaction. This is the Christian faith in action. Hate, no not for us.
A lesson to all wannabe rabble-rousing hate mongers. Hitler made himself look a total ass and so will you. Edited by Kermit8 (22 Jun 2015 9.17am) Good post Kerm. I know believing in Jesus is not a popular choice round these parts, but this is a potent example of where doing just that shows itself in a perfect light. You think 'forgiving' these creatures makes it less likely that it will happen again?
Most importantly they are demonstrating their faith in the most difficult and powerful way possible. The true message of Jesus was love, compassion and forgiveness. All power to them for their strength in the most difficult of times. Its not popular round here to say faith is a positive thing, but here it is demonstrated so powerfully that I'd like to see even The Judge refute it. Forgiveness need have nothing to do with religion. For some reason you think that you cannot have your own set of morals or attitudes without believing in a largely mythical person or some sort of god being. Truly odd. Do you not have a mind of your own or do you just do as you are instructed like some kind of robot ?
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All credit to the relatives and members of this church for their incredible reaction. This is the Christian faith in action. Hate, no not for us.
A lesson to all wannabe rabble-rousing hate mongers. Hitler made himself look a total ass and so will you. Edited by Kermit8 (22 Jun 2015 9.17am) Good post Kerm. I know believing in Jesus is not a popular choice round these parts, but this is a potent example of where doing just that shows itself in a perfect light. You think 'forgiving' these creatures makes it less likely that it will happen again?
Most importantly they are demonstrating their faith in the most difficult and powerful way possible. The true message of Jesus was love, compassion and forgiveness. All power to them for their strength in the most difficult of times. Its not popular round here to say faith is a positive thing, but here it is demonstrated so powerfully that I'd like to see even The Judge refute it. So if we had just turned the other cheek to Hitler in the 1930s everything would have been alright?
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All credit to the relatives and members of this church for their incredible reaction. This is the Christian faith in action. Hate, no not for us.
A lesson to all wannabe rabble-rousing hate mongers. Hitler made himself look a total ass and so will you. Edited by Kermit8 (22 Jun 2015 9.17am) Good post Kerm. I know believing in Jesus is not a popular choice round these parts, but this is a potent example of where doing just that shows itself in a perfect light. You think 'forgiving' these creatures makes it less likely that it will happen again?
Most importantly they are demonstrating their faith in the most difficult and powerful way possible. The true message of Jesus was love, compassion and forgiveness. All power to them for their strength in the most difficult of times. Its not popular round here to say faith is a positive thing, but here it is demonstrated so powerfully that I'd like to see even The Judge refute it. Regardless of whether you share their beliefs, I think it shows great strength of character to be able to do what you believe is the right thing in the face of such events. I'm not sure I could - I'd want to remove the bloke's liver with a spoon! Hopefully it will also help the families to move on with their lives by not letting their own hate for this bloke and his actions eat them up. Good luck to them
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Quote derben at 22 Jun 2015 10.27am
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Quote derben at 22 Jun 2015 9.58am
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Quote Kermit8 at 22 Jun 2015 9.11am
Quote reborn at 22 Jun 2015 8.36am
All credit to the relatives and members of this church for their incredible reaction. This is the Christian faith in action. Hate, no not for us.
A lesson to all wannabe rabble-rousing hate mongers. Hitler made himself look a total ass and so will you. Edited by Kermit8 (22 Jun 2015 9.17am) Good post Kerm. I know believing in Jesus is not a popular choice round these parts, but this is a potent example of where doing just that shows itself in a perfect light. You think 'forgiving' these creatures makes it less likely that it will happen again?
Most importantly they are demonstrating their faith in the most difficult and powerful way possible. The true message of Jesus was love, compassion and forgiveness. All power to them for their strength in the most difficult of times. Its not popular round here to say faith is a positive thing, but here it is demonstrated so powerfully that I'd like to see even The Judge refute it. So if we had just turned the other cheek to Hitler in the 1930s everything would have been alright? Of course not, now you're just being silly for effect. Christians have a duty to forgive, but also stand against evil and protect the oppressed. No sane person would argue that Hitler didn't need opposing.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Jun 15 10.36am |
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Quote derben at 22 Jun 2015 10.15am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jun 2015 10.09am
Quote derben at 22 Jun 2015 9.55am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jun 2015 9.39am
Quote beagle at 21 Jun 2015 9.36pm
Quote sydtheeagle at 21 Jun 2015 7.44pm
No. Where you find rough you try to change things for the better. A healthy society is in a constant state of self-examination and revision. It's not static and f*** off if you don't like it. That's what hallmarks a democracy which, thank God, we are. Depends what the 'special revisions' the OP is referring to, doesn't it? If a 'special revision' was that, lets say, 'Sharia Law' was permitted within certain sections of the community then I'd agree with the OP. One law for one people. Not a mix and match. To mind that would be the antithesis of democracy. Of course the law in the UK is already different for Scots, Northern Irish and people from the Isle of Man. I'd be hesitant about incorporation of aspects of Sharia law more because not all Muslims want Sharia law, its massively open to interpretation and abuse and varies according to different Islamic faith. That said, I also think that its many people also deliberately disrespect Islamic faith in a way that's deliberately antagonistic, for their own ends, and call it free speech / expression. They probably call expressing an opinion free speech, because that is what it is. I suppose you appreciate why cartoonist are killed and the likes of Rushdie have to go into hiding for exercising free speech. Why shouldn't people be free to 'disrespect' Islam - Jerry Springer, the Opera was free to disrespect Christianity. Free speech isn't free of consequences. Rushdie, I feel somewhat sorry for, but I do feel less sympathy when its people who have persistently poked the snake with a stick, and then complained that its bitten them. If you keep deliberately antagonizing people for your own ends, you shouldn't be too surprised if the crazy's among those people retaliate. Charlie Hebdo was notably targeted because its cartoons were specifically stating that the actions of Islamists were a disgrace and an insult to Islam, and the Prophet. But if you keep insulting people, without reason, it shouldn't come as a great surprise when people get very upset with it. But you accept the right for people to voice such opinions? And you accept that reacting by killing people or seeking to kill them is unlawful and should be punished? No, but I also take a more middle ground, that you shouldn't necessarily be too surprised if you deliberately and continually antagonize someone and they eventually punch you in the face. Obviously killing someone because you don't like what they say is a absurd over reaction, and should be punished. But then deliberately publishing cartoons you know will result in a violent backlash is massively irresponsible as well. Once is ok, but its not about free speech, its about decency and respect. Note when some people invoked their free speech and expression by burning poppies the reaction resulted in a change of law, eventual arrests and attempts to prosecute.
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Quote npn at 22 Jun 2015 10.28am
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Quote derben at 22 Jun 2015 9.58am
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Quote Kermit8 at 22 Jun 2015 9.11am
Quote reborn at 22 Jun 2015 8.36am
All credit to the relatives and members of this church for their incredible reaction. This is the Christian faith in action. Hate, no not for us.
A lesson to all wannabe rabble-rousing hate mongers. Hitler made himself look a total ass and so will you. Edited by Kermit8 (22 Jun 2015 9.17am) Good post Kerm. I know believing in Jesus is not a popular choice round these parts, but this is a potent example of where doing just that shows itself in a perfect light. You think 'forgiving' these creatures makes it less likely that it will happen again?
Most importantly they are demonstrating their faith in the most difficult and powerful way possible. The true message of Jesus was love, compassion and forgiveness. All power to them for their strength in the most difficult of times. Its not popular round here to say faith is a positive thing, but here it is demonstrated so powerfully that I'd like to see even The Judge refute it. Regardless of whether you share their beliefs, I think it shows great strength of character to be able to do what you believe is the right thing in the face of such events. I'm not sure I could - I'd want to remove the bloke's liver with a spoon! Hopefully it will also help the families to move on with their lives by not letting their own hate for this bloke and his actions eat them up. Good luck to them Hating someone is like drinking poison and hoping that the other person gets sick.
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Quote derben at 22 Jun 2015 10.27am
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Quote derben at 22 Jun 2015 9.58am
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Quote reborn at 22 Jun 2015 8.36am
All credit to the relatives and members of this church for their incredible reaction. This is the Christian faith in action. Hate, no not for us.
A lesson to all wannabe rabble-rousing hate mongers. Hitler made himself look a total ass and so will you. Edited by Kermit8 (22 Jun 2015 9.17am) Good post Kerm. I know believing in Jesus is not a popular choice round these parts, but this is a potent example of where doing just that shows itself in a perfect light. You think 'forgiving' these creatures makes it less likely that it will happen again?
Most importantly they are demonstrating their faith in the most difficult and powerful way possible. The true message of Jesus was love, compassion and forgiveness. All power to them for their strength in the most difficult of times. Its not popular round here to say faith is a positive thing, but here it is demonstrated so powerfully that I'd like to see even The Judge refute it. So if we had just turned the other cheek to Hitler in the 1930s everything would have been alright? Of course not, now you're just being silly for effect. Christians have a duty to forgive, but also stand against evil and protect the oppressed. No sane person would argue that Hitler didn't need opposing. Really ? So your forgiveness and tolerance is now subjective ? You have just demonstrated the big problem with ideology. Different circumstances often require different attitudes.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Jun 15 10.41am |
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Quote beagle at 21 Jun 2015 9.36pm
Quote sydtheeagle at 21 Jun 2015 7.44pm
No. Where you find rough you try to change things for the better. A healthy society is in a constant state of self-examination and revision. It's not static and f*** off if you don't like it. That's what hallmarks a democracy which, thank God, we are. Depends what the 'special revisions' the OP is referring to, doesn't it? If a 'special revision' was that, lets say, 'Sharia Law' was permitted within certain sections of the community then I'd agree with the OP. One law for one people. Not a mix and match. To mind that would be the antithesis of democracy. Of course the law in the UK is already different for Scots, Northern Irish and people from the Isle of Man. I'd be hesitant about incorporation of aspects of Sharia law more because not all Muslims want Sharia law, its massively open to interpretation and abuse and varies according to different Islamic faith. That said, I also think that its many people also deliberately disrespect Islamic faith in a way that's deliberately antagonistic, for their own ends, and call it free speech / expression. They probably call expressing an opinion free speech, because that is what it is. I suppose you appreciate why cartoonist are killed and the likes of Rushdie have to go into hiding for exercising free speech. Why shouldn't people be free to 'disrespect' Islam - Jerry Springer, the Opera was free to disrespect Christianity. Free speech isn't free of consequences. Rushdie, I feel somewhat sorry for, but I do feel less sympathy when its people who have persistently poked the snake with a stick, and then complained that its bitten them. If you keep deliberately antagonizing people for your own ends, you shouldn't be too surprised if the crazy's among those people retaliate. Charlie Hebdo was notably targeted because its cartoons were specifically stating that the actions of Islamists were a disgrace and an insult to Islam, and the Prophet. But if you keep insulting people, without reason, it shouldn't come as a great surprise when people get very upset with it. I'm afraid I don't share you attitude on this. I'm not saying it justifies it, but that maybe you're not quite the victim you claim to be if you've been poking a bear with a stick. I'd argue that just because you have the right to do something, doesn't necessarily mean you should. Free Speech is a good and noble thing, but we should never separate the consequences of speech, that is deliberately aimed at provoking hate or unrest, even if it presents itself innoculously. Deliberately insulting large sections of the population is just provocation.
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All credit to the relatives and members of this church for their incredible reaction. This is the Christian faith in action. Hate, no not for us.
A lesson to all wannabe rabble-rousing hate mongers. Hitler made himself look a total ass and so will you. Edited by Kermit8 (22 Jun 2015 9.17am) Good post Kerm. I know believing in Jesus is not a popular choice round these parts, but this is a potent example of where doing just that shows itself in a perfect light. You think 'forgiving' these creatures makes it less likely that it will happen again?
Most importantly they are demonstrating their faith in the most difficult and powerful way possible. The true message of Jesus was love, compassion and forgiveness. All power to them for their strength in the most difficult of times. Its not popular round here to say faith is a positive thing, but here it is demonstrated so powerfully that I'd like to see even The Judge refute it. So if we had just turned the other cheek to Hitler in the 1930s everything would have been alright? Of course not, now you're just being silly for effect. Christians have a duty to forgive, but also stand against evil and protect the oppressed. No sane person would argue that Hitler didn't need opposing. At what point do you stop turning the other cheek and instead start opposing?
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