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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 13 Apr 15 1.12pm
Quote reborn at 13 Apr 2015 9.30am This whole thread is full of bile and hatred. Par for the course really. Not like the un-reconstructed old days ,some of the personal beliefs around "preferring" one's own, is quite sad. To prefer one's own, is it to deliberately detriment those that are different due to belief, skin colour, sexual preference, or even just politics? It seems less and less believe in equality, let alone inter-generational equality. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 13 Apr 15 1.12pm

Quote reborn at 13 Apr 2015 9.30am

This whole thread is full of bile and hatred. Par for the course really.

Not like the un-reconstructed old days ,some of the personal beliefs around "preferring" one's own, is quite sad. To prefer one's own, is it to deliberately detriment those that are different due to belief, skin colour, sexual preference, or even just politics?

It seems less and less believe in equality, let alone inter-generational equality.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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johnfirewall 13 Apr 15 2.36pm
Quote pefwin at 13 Apr 2015 1.12pm Quote reborn at 13 Apr 2015 9.30am This whole thread is full of bile and hatred. Par for the course really. Not like the un-reconstructed old days ,some of the personal beliefs around "preferring" one's own, is quite sad. To prefer one's own, is it to deliberately detriment those that are different due to belief, skin colour, sexual preference, or even just politics? It seems less and less believe in equality, let alone inter-generational equality. You forgot class, which among many other criteria form the basis of favouritism. How about someones choice of football team? The suggestion that bias is towards 'Ones own' is bit of a red herring as well. The 'left' love to embrace this while boycotting that, resulting in similar shared prejudices. Anyway this all oversimplifies the problem and reduces the perpetrators to a hackenyed Alf Garnet sub-sector of the working class and leaves me wanting to like or dislike as many things as possible for the most ridiculous reasons I can think up. Edited by johnfirewall (13 Apr 2015 2.37pm)
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13 Apr 15 2.36pm

Quote pefwin at 13 Apr 2015 1.12pm

Quote reborn at 13 Apr 2015 9.30am

This whole thread is full of bile and hatred. Par for the course really.

It seems less and less believe in equality, let alone inter-generational equality.

You forgot class, which among many other criteria form the basis of favouritism. How about someones choice of football team?

The suggestion that bias is towards 'Ones own' is bit of a red herring as well. The 'left' love to embrace this while boycotting that, resulting in similar shared prejudices.

Anyway this all oversimplifies the problem and reduces the perpetrators to a hackenyed Alf Garnet sub-sector of the working class and leaves me wanting to like or dislike as many things as possible for the most ridiculous reasons I can think up.

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Hrolf The Ganger 17 Apr 15 4.57pm
Quote pefwin at 13 Apr 2015 1.12pm Quote reborn at 13 Apr 2015 9.30am This whole thread is full of bile and hatred. Par for the course really. Not like the un-reconstructed old days ,some of the personal beliefs around "preferring" one's own, is quite sad. To prefer one's own, is it to deliberately detriment those that are different due to belief, skin colour, sexual preference, or even just politics? It seems less and less believe in equality, let alone inter-generational equality. What rot. So I suppose cats should like dogs as much as they like other cats. It is the natural order of things that people like to associate with people of their nown kind. You see it in every race. In fact, human beings can't invent enough ways to differentiate from each other it seems. What you are suggestinng is that we try and live together in harmony when every piece of evidence suggests that that is counter to human nature. Dream if you like, but reality bites sooner or later.
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Quote pefwin at 13 Apr 2015 1.12pm

Quote reborn at 13 Apr 2015 9.30am

This whole thread is full of bile and hatred. Par for the course really.

It seems less and less believe in equality, let alone inter-generational equality.

What rot.
So I suppose cats should like dogs as much as they like other cats.
It is the natural order of things that people like to associate with people of their nown kind. You see it in every race. In fact, human beings can't invent enough ways to differentiate from each other it seems.
What you are suggestinng is that we try and live together in harmony when every piece of evidence suggests that that is counter to human nature.
Dream if you like, but reality bites sooner or later.

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Galv Wallington 17 Apr 15 5.32pm
There are good people and bad people out there and it has nothing to do with skin colour, religion, or anything else. Some humans are horrible. I am a hairdresser and talk to almost all different nationalities on offer in Croydon. We all seem to be the same. I love the diversity. I think all the problems come from people not talking to each other, not connecting with strangers, being suspicious instead of open. I also believe that with social media this will get more problematic over time. Really sad because most of my clients are great to chat with- great stories and anecdotes. Everyone has a story if you're willing to listen. I've got food and shelter tonight and a loving family and a few good mates.........and a passion for Palace. I am incredibly grateful
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Wallington 17 Apr 15 5.32pm

There are good people and bad people out there and it has nothing to do with skin colour, religion, or anything else. Some humans are horrible.
I am a hairdresser and talk to almost all different nationalities on offer in Croydon. We all seem to be the same. I love the diversity.
I think all the problems come from people not talking to each other, not connecting with strangers, being suspicious instead of open. I also believe that with social media this will get more problematic over time.
Really sad because most of my clients are great to chat with- great stories and anecdotes. Everyone has a story if you're willing to listen.
I've got food and shelter tonight and a loving family and a few good mates.........and a passion for Palace.
I am incredibly grateful

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Eagle_SA Just outside Cape Town 17 Apr 15 5.40pm
Whatever life may be like as an immigrant in Blighty spare a thought for the various immigrants here in SA. [Link] We had major problems with xenophobia in 2008 and it's all rearing its ugly head again. Edited by Eagle_SA (17 Apr 2015 5.45pm) And I see signs of half remembered days, I hear bells that chime in strange familiar ways
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Eagle_SA

Just outside Cape Town 17 Apr 15 5.40pm

Whatever life may be like as an immigrant in Blighty spare a thought for the various immigrants here in SA.
[Link] We had major problems with xenophobia in 2008 and it's all rearing its ugly head again.

Edited by Eagle_SA (17 Apr 2015 5.45pm)

And I see signs of half remembered days, I hear bells that chime in strange familiar ways

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imbored UK 17 Apr 15 6.10pm
Quote Galv at 17 Apr 2015 5.32pm There are good people and bad people out there and it has nothing to do with skin colour, religion, or anything else. Some humans are horrible. I am a hairdresser and talk to almost all different nationalities on offer in Croydon. We all seem to be the same. I love the diversity. I think all the problems come from people not talking to each other, not connecting with strangers, being suspicious instead of open. I also believe that with social media this will get more problematic over time. Really sad because most of my clients are great to chat with- great stories and anecdotes. Everyone has a story if you're willing to listen. I've got food and shelter tonight and a loving family and a few good mates.........and a passion for Palace. I am incredibly grateful Commonality with a diverse range of people discovered and appreciated through actual real life interactions. Great! Sounds like an obvious approach, but many prefer to keep to whatever they deem 'their own kind' to be.
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UK 17 Apr 15 6.10pm

Quote Galv at 17 Apr 2015 5.32pm

Commonality with a diverse range of people discovered and appreciated through actual real life interactions. Great! Sounds like an obvious approach, but many prefer to keep to whatever they deem 'their own kind' to be.

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Hrolf The Ganger 17 Apr 15 6.32pm
Quote imbored at 17 Apr 2015 6.10pm Quote Galv at 17 Apr 2015 5.32pm There are good people and bad people out there and it has nothing to do with skin colour, religion, or anything else. Some humans are horrible. I am a hairdresser and talk to almost all different nationalities on offer in Croydon. We all seem to be the same. I love the diversity. I think all the problems come from people not talking to each other, not connecting with strangers, being suspicious instead of open. I also believe that with social media this will get more problematic over time. Really sad because most of my clients are great to chat with- great stories and anecdotes. Everyone has a story if you're willing to listen. I've got food and shelter tonight and a loving family and a few good mates.........and a passion for Palace. I am incredibly grateful Commonality with a diverse range of people discovered and appreciated through actual real life interactions. Great! Sounds like an obvious approach, but many prefer to keep to whatever they deem 'their own kind' to be. Precisely. Thast is not to say that one can't interact with others but when push comes to shove, we all side with our own unless another stronger natural motivation is in play. We all need to recognise certain realities in order to best deal with them in a civilised society. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Apr 2015 6.32pm)
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Quote Galv at 17 Apr 2015 5.32pm

Precisely. Thast is not to say that one can't interact with others but when push comes to shove, we all side with our own unless another stronger natural motivation is in play. We all need to recognise certain realities in order to best deal with them in a civilised society.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Apr 2015 6.32pm)

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 17 Apr 15 6.49pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 17 Apr 2015 6.32pm Quote imbored at 17 Apr 2015 6.10pm Quote Galv at 17 Apr 2015 5.32pm There are good people and bad people out there and it has nothing to do with skin colour, religion, or anything else. Some humans are horrible. I am a hairdresser and talk to almost all different nationalities on offer in Croydon. We all seem to be the same. I love the diversity. I think all the problems come from people not talking to each other, not connecting with strangers, being suspicious instead of open. I also believe that with social media this will get more problematic over time. Really sad because most of my clients are great to chat with- great stories and anecdotes. Everyone has a story if you're willing to listen. I've got food and shelter tonight and a loving family and a few good mates.........and a passion for Palace. I am incredibly grateful Commonality with a diverse range of people discovered and appreciated through actual real life interactions. Great! Sounds like an obvious approach, but many prefer to keep to whatever they deem 'their own kind' to be. Precisely. Thast is not to say that one can't interact with others but when push comes to shove, we all side with our own unless another stronger natural motivation is in play. We all need to recognise certain realities in order to best deal with them in a civilised society. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Apr 2015 6.32pm) I hope you watched the documentary on BBC3 this week on Russian politics. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 17 Apr 15 6.49pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 17 Apr 2015 6.32pm

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Quote Galv at 17 Apr 2015 5.32pm

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Apr 2015 6.32pm)

I hope you watched the documentary on BBC3 this week on Russian politics.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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TheJudge 18 Apr 15 11.34am
Quote pefwin at 17 Apr 2015 6.49pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 17 Apr 2015 6.32pm Quote imbored at 17 Apr 2015 6.10pm Quote Galv at 17 Apr 2015 5.32pm There are good people and bad people out there and it has nothing to do with skin colour, religion, or anything else. Some humans are horrible. I am a hairdresser and talk to almost all different nationalities on offer in Croydon. We all seem to be the same. I love the diversity. I think all the problems come from people not talking to each other, not connecting with strangers, being suspicious instead of open. I also believe that with social media this will get more problematic over time. Really sad because most of my clients are great to chat with- great stories and anecdotes. Everyone has a story if you're willing to listen. I've got food and shelter tonight and a loving family and a few good mates.........and a passion for Palace. I am incredibly grateful Commonality with a diverse range of people discovered and appreciated through actual real life interactions. Great! Sounds like an obvious approach, but many prefer to keep to whatever they deem 'their own kind' to be. Precisely. Thast is not to say that one can't interact with others but when push comes to shove, we all side with our own unless another stronger natural motivation is in play. We all need to recognise certain realities in order to best deal with them in a civilised society. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Apr 2015 6.32pm) I hope you watched the documentary on BBC3 this week on Russian politics. Can you explain what politics has to do with it ? The post was a statement about peoples natural tendencies. To deny human nature is to deny reality.
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18 Apr 15 11.34am

Quote pefwin at 17 Apr 2015 6.49pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 17 Apr 2015 6.32pm

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Quote Galv at 17 Apr 2015 5.32pm

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Apr 2015 6.32pm)

I hope you watched the documentary on BBC3 this week on Russian politics.

Can you explain what politics has to do with it ?

The post was a statement about peoples natural tendencies.
To deny human nature is to deny reality.

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Galv Wallington 18 Apr 15 7.25pm
Quote TheJudge at 18 Apr 2015 11.34am Quote pefwin at 17 Apr 2015 6.49pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 17 Apr 2015 6.32pm Quote imbored at 17 Apr 2015 6.10pm Quote Galv at 17 Apr 2015 5.32pm There are good people and bad people out there and it has nothing to do with skin colour, religion, or anything else. Some humans are horrible. I am a hairdresser and talk to almost all different nationalities on offer in Croydon. We all seem to be the same. I love the diversity. I think all the problems come from people not talking to each other, not connecting with strangers, being suspicious instead of open. I also believe that with social media this will get more problematic over time. Really sad because most of my clients are great to chat with- great stories and anecdotes. Everyone has a story if you're willing to listen. I've got food and shelter tonight and a loving family and a few good mates.........and a passion for Palace. I am incredibly grateful Commonality with a diverse range of people discovered and appreciated through actual real life interactions. Great! Sounds like an obvious approach, but many prefer to keep to whatever they deem 'their own kind' to be. Precisely. Thast is not to say that one can't interact with others but when push comes to shove, we all side with our own unless another stronger natural motivation is in play. We all need to recognise certain realities in order to best deal with them in a civilised society. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Apr 2015 6.32pm) I hope you watched the documentary on BBC3 this week on Russian politics. Can you explain what politics has to do with it ? The post was a statement about peoples natural tendencies. To deny human nature is to deny reality. Human nature or human conditioning Edited by Galv (18 Apr 2015 7.26pm)
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Wallington 18 Apr 15 7.25pm

Quote TheJudge at 18 Apr 2015 11.34am

Quote pefwin at 17 Apr 2015 6.49pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 17 Apr 2015 6.32pm

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Quote Galv at 17 Apr 2015 5.32pm

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Apr 2015 6.32pm)

I hope you watched the documentary on BBC3 this week on Russian politics.

Can you explain what politics has to do with it ?

The post was a statement about peoples natural tendencies.
To deny human nature is to deny reality.

Human nature or human conditioning

Edited by Galv (18 Apr 2015 7.26pm)

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 18 Apr 15 7.29pm
Quote Galv at 18 Apr 2015 7.25pm Quote TheJudge at 18 Apr 2015 11.34am Quote pefwin at 17 Apr 2015 6.49pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 17 Apr 2015 6.32pm Quote imbored at 17 Apr 2015 6.10pm Quote Galv at 17 Apr 2015 5.32pm There are good people and bad people out there and it has nothing to do with skin colour, religion, or anything else. Some humans are horrible. I am a hairdresser and talk to almost all different nationalities on offer in Croydon. We all seem to be the same. I love the diversity. I think all the problems come from people not talking to each other, not connecting with strangers, being suspicious instead of open. I also believe that with social media this will get more problematic over time. Really sad because most of my clients are great to chat with- great stories and anecdotes. Everyone has a story if you're willing to listen. I've got food and shelter tonight and a loving family and a few good mates.........and a passion for Palace. I am incredibly grateful Commonality with a diverse range of people discovered and appreciated through actual real life interactions. Great! Sounds like an obvious approach, but many prefer to keep to whatever they deem 'their own kind' to be. Precisely. Thast is not to say that one can't interact with others but when push comes to shove, we all side with our own unless another stronger natural motivation is in play. We all need to recognise certain realities in order to best deal with them in a civilised society. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Apr 2015 6.32pm) I hope you watched the documentary on BBC3 this week on Russian politics. Can you explain what politics has to do with it ? The post was a statement about peoples natural tendencies. To deny human nature is to deny reality. Human nature or human conditioning Edited by Galv (18 Apr 2015 7.26pm) For some it is their innate nature to be racist, as he admits. They side with their own but dare not define what "their own" is. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 18 Apr 15 7.29pm

Quote Galv at 18 Apr 2015 7.25pm

Quote TheJudge at 18 Apr 2015 11.34am

Quote pefwin at 17 Apr 2015 6.49pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 17 Apr 2015 6.32pm

Quote imbored at 17 Apr 2015 6.10pm

Quote Galv at 17 Apr 2015 5.32pm

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Apr 2015 6.32pm)

I hope you watched the documentary on BBC3 this week on Russian politics.

Can you explain what politics has to do with it ?

The post was a statement about peoples natural tendencies.
To deny human nature is to deny reality.

Human nature or human conditioning

Edited by Galv (18 Apr 2015 7.26pm)

For some it is their innate nature to be racist, as he admits.

They side with their own but dare not define what "their own" is.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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TheJudge 18 Apr 15 11.03pm
Quote pefwin at 18 Apr 2015 7.29pm Quote Galv at 18 Apr 2015 7.25pm Quote TheJudge at 18 Apr 2015 11.34am Quote pefwin at 17 Apr 2015 6.49pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 17 Apr 2015 6.32pm Quote imbored at 17 Apr 2015 6.10pm Quote Galv at 17 Apr 2015 5.32pm There are good people and bad people out there and it has nothing to do with skin colour, religion, or anything else. Some humans are horrible. I am a hairdresser and talk to almost all different nationalities on offer in Croydon. We all seem to be the same. I love the diversity. I think all the problems come from people not talking to each other, not connecting with strangers, being suspicious instead of open. I also believe that with social media this will get more problematic over time. Really sad because most of my clients are great to chat with- great stories and anecdotes. Everyone has a story if you're willing to listen. I've got food and shelter tonight and a loving family and a few good mates.........and a passion for Palace. I am incredibly grateful Commonality with a diverse range of people discovered and appreciated through actual real life interactions. Great! Sounds like an obvious approach, but many prefer to keep to whatever they deem 'their own kind' to be. Precisely. Thast is not to say that one can't interact with others but when push comes to shove, we all side with our own unless another stronger natural motivation is in play. We all need to recognise certain realities in order to best deal with them in a civilised society. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Apr 2015 6.32pm) I hope you watched the documentary on BBC3 this week on Russian politics. Can you explain what politics has to do with it ? The post was a statement about peoples natural tendencies. To deny human nature is to deny reality. Human nature or human conditioning Edited by Galv (18 Apr 2015 7.26pm) For some it is their innate nature to be racist, as he admits. They side with their own but dare not define what "their own" is. The use of the word racist is so divisive and political, and deliberately so in this case I'm sure. I would loosely, and possibly inadequately, describe "ones's own" as an association with others which has a perceived mutual benefit. It could be drawn around racial, national or religious lines or even less obvious groupings. Humans are complex creatures but often don't even understand the evolutionary predisposition that drives them. What we can't do is ignore it while chanting some liberal mantra about an idealised world. Edited by TheJudge (18 Apr 2015 11.04pm)
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Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Apr 2015 6.32pm)

I hope you watched the documentary on BBC3 this week on Russian politics.

Can you explain what politics has to do with it ?

The post was a statement about peoples natural tendencies.
To deny human nature is to deny reality.

Human nature or human conditioning

Edited by Galv (18 Apr 2015 7.26pm)

For some it is their innate nature to be racist, as he admits.

They side with their own but dare not define what "their own" is.

The use of the word racist is so divisive and political, and deliberately so in this case I'm sure.

I would loosely, and possibly inadequately, describe "ones's own" as an association with others which has a perceived mutual benefit. It could be drawn around racial, national or religious lines or even less obvious groupings. Humans are complex creatures but often don't even understand the evolutionary predisposition that drives them.
What we can't do is ignore it while chanting some liberal mantra about an idealised world.

Edited by TheJudge (18 Apr 2015 11.04pm)

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