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Quote cornwalls palace at 27 Mar 2015 1.11pm
..so in 2009 he was diagnosed with a “severe depressive episode”
You'd be amazed how many people in high stress jobs may have experienced severe depressive episodes. Can't go around sacking them all off, 1 in 5 people suffer from a severe depressive episode requiring medical intervention at least once in their life time. I'd be more worried about pilots who have 'alcohol problems', having been around AA as a kid my dad seemed to know an awful lot of pilots that only had names like 'Jim the Pilot'.
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Quote The Sash at 27 Mar 2015 12.31pm
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Quote Kermit8 at 27 Mar 2015 11.36am
He was probably only thinking about two people not 150. He's a fvcking crazy so how countries sane military pilots do it when in conflict - killing tens, hundreds, thousands of innocents - is something.......I want Jaime to answer. ta. Edited by Kermit8 (27 Mar 2015 11.37am) Its their job, they're paid to do it. People rationalize it in different ways. In many ways its easier in war, as a pilot, because you're just the conduit, the person who presses the button. The command makes the decision. Studies of military personel generally show a stronger sense of morality, and a close bond between them and their fellows, and that this plays a key role in the battle field and operations, because its not about you and them, its about yours and them. They are after all the people who are killing 'your people'. The army and the RAF might have a rivalry, but at the end of the day, they are their own (the armed forces). Even when you see it, its just pictures, where as the front line solider its a full experience. You don't get the smell or the sounds, which are the biggest triggers in PTSD Front line soliders experience their actions, and the actions of war first hand, up close in and its personal. Where as at 15000 ft firing dropping a bomb at a 'marked target' has little personal responsibility - if you didn't do it, someone else would. One of my dads uncles was in bomber command during the war as a tailgunner on Lancasters (Dambuster and all that)and whilst he wasn't one for war stories I remember him telling a few (bizarrely after watching an arsehole comment by Jimmy Greaves about Germans and WW2 on St and Greavsie). He was fully aware that when they dropped a shedloads of bombs that it was nasty and horrible and indiscriminate however, he was a) more concerned at getting back alive as tailgunners had the highest mortality rate in the RAF and b)after seeing most of London blown apart in the same way by the Luftwaffe there was a sense of 'what goes around' about it. That's it though isn't it. Its 'different they started it' kind of argument, as if those people who actually were bombed were in any way responsible for the bombing of London. Its a rationalization away from responsibility. You're just a conduit in events far greater than your self, and you also never really seen the impact of what you achieved directly. I dare saw those who dropped the bombs on Dresden might have felt differently had they experienced the fire storms first hand, smelt the burning flesh of mangled children and heard the screaming of the burning women. Distance is a big power factor in the surrender of personal responsibility - We negotiate our responsibility for our actions in a social frame work of power relations they occur within.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Mar 2015 3.21pm
Quote cornwalls palace at 27 Mar 2015 1.11pm
..so in 2009 he was diagnosed with a “severe depressive episode”
You'd be amazed how many people in high stress jobs may have experienced severe depressive episodes. Can't go around sacking them all off, 1 in 5 people suffer from a severe depressive episode requiring medical intervention at least once in their life time. I'd be more worried about pilots who have 'alcohol problems', having been around AA as a kid my dad seemed to know an awful lot of pilots that only had names like 'Jim the Pilot'.
No one with a history of mental illness should be in charge of a vehicle with hundreds of passengers on board. It's bad enough on the bin lorries that the driver is the oldest and therefore most likely to have s*** vision, knackered hearing and have a heart attack.
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The Sash  Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 27 Mar 15 3.56pm |
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Quote cornwalls palace at 27 Mar 2015 1.11pm
..so in 2009 he was diagnosed with a “severe depressive episode”
You'd be amazed how many people in high stress jobs may have experienced severe depressive episodes. Can't go around sucking them all off, 1 in 5 people suffer from a severe depressive episode requiring medical intervention at least once in their life time. Lordy
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Mar 15 4.28pm |
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Quote Stuk at 27 Mar 2015 3.42pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Mar 2015 3.21pm
Quote cornwalls palace at 27 Mar 2015 1.11pm
..so in 2009 he was diagnosed with a “severe depressive episode”
You'd be amazed how many people in high stress jobs may have experienced severe depressive episodes. Can't go around sacking them all off, 1 in 5 people suffer from a severe depressive episode requiring medical intervention at least once in their life time. I'd be more worried about pilots who have 'alcohol problems', having been around AA as a kid my dad seemed to know an awful lot of pilots that only had names like 'Jim the Pilot'.
No one with a history of mental illness should be in charge of a vehicle with hundreds of passengers on board. It's bad enough on the bin lorries that the driver is the oldest and therefore most likely to have s*** vision, knackered hearing and have a heart attack. But you're happy to have firefighters with s*** vision, knackered hearing and likely to have a heart attack.
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Quote bexleydave at 27 Mar 2015 8.46am
It is difficult to understand why, if you're a pilot and a member of a flying club (as this guy was), you wouldn't hire a light aircraft and crash it into a mountain, if you really wanted to top yourself. Why would you want to take all those innocent people with you?
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| Seth On a pale blue dot 27 Mar 15 5.59pm |
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The co-pilot suspected of deliberately crashing a Germanwings airliner into the French Alps hid details of an illness, German prosecutors say. Torn-up sick notes were found in the homes of Andreas Lubitz, they say, including one for the day of the crash, which killed 150 passengers and crew. A German hospital confirmed he had been a patient recently but denied reports he had been treated for depression.
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| elgrande bedford 27 Mar 15 5.59pm |
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Quote Seth at 27 Mar 2015 5.53pm
Quote bexleydave at 27 Mar 2015 8.46am
It is difficult to understand why, if you're a pilot and a member of a flying club (as this guy was), you wouldn't hire a light aircraft and crash it into a mountain, if you really wanted to top yourself. Why would you want to take all those innocent people with you?
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| Seth On a pale blue dot 27 Mar 15 6.04pm |
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Quote elgrande at 27 Mar 2015 5.59pm
Quote Seth at 27 Mar 2015 5.53pm
Quote bexleydave at 27 Mar 2015 8.46am
It is difficult to understand why, if you're a pilot and a member of a flying club (as this guy was), you wouldn't hire a light aircraft and crash it into a mountain, if you really wanted to top yourself. Why would you want to take all those innocent people with you?
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| elgrande bedford 27 Mar 15 6.06pm |
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Quote Seth at 27 Mar 2015 6.04pm
Quote elgrande at 27 Mar 2015 5.59pm
Quote Seth at 27 Mar 2015 5.53pm
Quote bexleydave at 27 Mar 2015 8.46am
It is difficult to understand why, if you're a pilot and a member of a flying club (as this guy was), you wouldn't hire a light aircraft and crash it into a mountain, if you really wanted to top yourself. Why would you want to take all those innocent people with you?
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| Stuk Top half 27 Mar 15 7.16pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 27 Mar 2015 4.28pm
Quote Stuk at 27 Mar 2015 3.42pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Mar 2015 3.21pm
Quote cornwalls palace at 27 Mar 2015 1.11pm
..so in 2009 he was diagnosed with a “severe depressive episode”
You'd be amazed how many people in high stress jobs may have experienced severe depressive episodes. Can't go around sacking them all off, 1 in 5 people suffer from a severe depressive episode requiring medical intervention at least once in their life time. I'd be more worried about pilots who have 'alcohol problems', having been around AA as a kid my dad seemed to know an awful lot of pilots that only had names like 'Jim the Pilot'.
No one with a history of mental illness should be in charge of a vehicle with hundreds of passengers on board. It's bad enough on the bin lorries that the driver is the oldest and therefore most likely to have s*** vision, knackered hearing and have a heart attack. But you're happy to have firefighters with s*** vision, knackered hearing and likely to have a heart attack.
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| dynamicdick Dormansland 27 Mar 15 8.20pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Mar 2015 3.26pm
Quote The Sash at 27 Mar 2015 12.31pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Mar 2015 11.49am
Quote Kermit8 at 27 Mar 2015 11.36am
He was probably only thinking about two people not 150. He's a fvcking crazy so how countries sane military pilots do it when in conflict - killing tens, hundreds, thousands of innocents - is something.......I want Jaime to answer. ta. Edited by Kermit8 (27 Mar 2015 11.37am) Its their job, they're paid to do it. People rationalize it in different ways. In many ways its easier in war, as a pilot, because you're just the conduit, the person who presses the button. The command makes the decision. Studies of military personel generally show a stronger sense of morality, and a close bond between them and their fellows, and that this plays a key role in the battle field and operations, because its not about you and them, its about yours and them. They are after all the people who are killing 'your people'. The army and the RAF might have a rivalry, but at the end of the day, they are their own (the armed forces). Even when you see it, its just pictures, where as the front line solider its a full experience. You don't get the smell or the sounds, which are the biggest triggers in PTSD Front line soliders experience their actions, and the actions of war first hand, up close in and its personal. Where as at 15000 ft firing dropping a bomb at a 'marked target' has little personal responsibility - if you didn't do it, someone else would. One of my dads uncles was in bomber command during the war as a tailgunner on Lancasters (Dambuster and all that)and whilst he wasn't one for war stories I remember him telling a few (bizarrely after watching an arsehole comment by Jimmy Greaves about Germans and WW2 on St and Greavsie). He was fully aware that when they dropped a shedloads of bombs that it was nasty and horrible and indiscriminate however, he was a) more concerned at getting back alive as tailgunners had the highest mortality rate in the RAF and b)after seeing most of London blown apart in the same way by the Luftwaffe there was a sense of 'what goes around' about it. That's it though isn't it. Its 'different they started it' kind of argument, as if those people who actually were bombed were in any way responsible for the bombing of London. Its a rationalization away from responsibility. You're just a conduit in events far greater than your self, and you also never really seen the impact of what you achieved directly. I dare saw those who dropped the bombs on Dresden might have felt differently had they experienced the fire storms first hand, smelt the burning flesh of mangled children and heard the screaming of the burning women. Distance is a big power factor in the surrender of personal responsibility - We negotiate our responsibility for our actions in a social frame work of power relations they occur within. Maybe but you have to go back to the reason why they did it, a certain Mr Hitler's desire to conquer all before him.
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