Hamas might never recognise Israel its a possibility, but then Egypt etc also all refused to recognise Israel as well, and have since done so.

Problem is that any path is going to be a very rocky road, as there are very powerful factions on both sides who's interest would be in maintaining the status quo (including a number of Israel's allies - Israel spends very big on defence and is one of the biggest arms importers in the world).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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...and worse

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Edited by legaleagle (07 Aug 2014 8.51pm)

Listen to this great speech. Speaking before the war and saying stuff that Blair and right wing press denied, but stuff that is now proved as correct

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I admire your enthusiasm to express your opinion Matt, but lament your laziness in informing it.

Justice and equal rights seems to me to be a decent aim, wherever the abuses occur. Morality is not divisible simply to suit.

I'm sure those who have posted, on both sides and those "in the middle", at length about abuses in the IsraeliPalestinian context will be just as outraged and posting just as much when something like this is going on somewhere else. Its not about ISIS justifying (or not justifying)Israel's actions. Two wrongs don't make a right. But what is going on with ISIS is truly despicable in anyone's language and IMHO it justifies a public level of outrage commensurate to that, certainly no less than Gaza resulted in recently.

That said, it will be interesting to see if, in Paris for example, the same people who ran around shouting "Death to Israel" and "Death to Jews" and wantonly smashing up a synagogue and seemingly Jewish-owned shops a couple of weeks ago,take to the streets shouting "Death to ISIS", and the same if people condemn ISIS but turn a complete blind eye where Israel is concerned.

Edited by legaleagle (08 Aug 2014 12.14am)

A lesson from history. The failure of the established powers to act together against the initial wave of Arab Muslim expansion must not be forgotten. Mutual suspicion prevented any Roman/Persian co-ordinated response. Unless the USA, Europe, Russia and China can work together to stomp on ISIS, I can see the map of the world looking very different in 30 years time.
Just because the events in Syria, Iraq and Lebanon are far removed from our borders, it does not follow that their impact on world trade and on Muslim minority populations around the world will not be significant.
Unfortunately, the major powers are playing their own game and will probably only see the error in their understanding of what is really occurring when it is too late. Many millions of innocent people(and not so innocent) will suffer because of this and generations to come will have to face living with a powerful Theocratic pan-National state that will be permenantly at war with non-believers everywhere.

Edited by Red-Blue-Yellow (08 Aug 2014 12.30am)

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So the Americans have finally decided to carry out airstrikes against their own group... [Link]