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ZIGnZAG Flag Stoke 06 Jan 19 9.56am

Originally posted by Mapletree

I am really looking forward to what you have to say, you little tease.

(What colour pants have you got on?)

 

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Palace in the Blood Flag 06 Jan 19 10.33am Send a Private Message to Palace in the Blood Add Palace in the Blood as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink

I think you'll be shocked by the amount of people who aren't.

The Fact is we do not know which view is correct !!! The major reason for this is the club completely mismanaged the whole situation. They should have polled the season ticket holders to ascertain views. The fact is only people with the polarised views will be vocal on any subject and this is no different.

Unfortunately this issue has become damaging to club in many ways. Firstly its reputation in the wider football world has been reduced (on the surface it said no and then capitulated due to pressure), secondly it has caused this rift between supporters (This could have been avoided) inevitably some supporters will decide to become less active or even stop coming. The club in one of its statements said it would ensure that the singing section were sat, it is quite clear from comments on here that they didn't yesterday. This has knock on effects to both the new stand proposals and taking part in a safe standing trial

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 06 Jan 19 10.47am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Palace in the Blood

The Fact is we do not know which view is correct !!! The major reason for this is the club completely mismanaged the whole situation. They should have polled the season ticket holders to ascertain views. The fact is only people with the polarised views will be vocal on any subject and this is no different.

Unfortunately this issue has become damaging to club in many ways. Firstly its reputation in the wider football world has been reduced (on the surface it said no and then capitulated due to pressure), secondly it has caused this rift between supporters (This could have been avoided) inevitably some supporters will decide to become less active or even stop coming. The club in one of its statements said it would ensure that the singing section were sat, it is quite clear from comments on here that they didn't yesterday. This has knock on effects to both the new stand proposals and taking part in a safe standing trial

This point in bold I keep reading yet it’s so far from the truth. Please explain how.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 06 Jan 19 11.00am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

You can see the clapping and therefore probably singing in E and C but not in D. That’s fine for when trying to make a point or when up for it or in the cup when there’s more than 400 in E but I’m unsure of how it’ll be usually, unless of course there’s fewer than 400 singing around B in league games this season, which is possible. Should’ve got all singers in the centre but Parish wanted to upset as few people as possible.

 


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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 06 Jan 19 11.36am Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Palace in the Blood

The Fact is we do not know which view is correct !!! The major reason for this is the club completely mismanaged the whole situation. They should have polled the season ticket holders to ascertain views. The fact is only people with the polarised views will be vocal on any subject and this is no different.

Unfortunately this issue has become damaging to club in many ways. Firstly its reputation in the wider football world has been reduced (on the surface it said no and then capitulated due to pressure), secondly it has caused this rift between supporters (This could have been avoided) inevitably some supporters will decide to become less active or even stop coming. The club in one of its statements said it would ensure that the singing section were sat, it is quite clear from comments on here that they didn't yesterday. This has knock on effects to both the new stand proposals and taking part in a safe standing trial

Which is entirely my point.

They didn't capitulate due to pressure from the HF but purely down to the possible loss of positive attention from the media.

 

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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 06 Jan 19 11.39am Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I am really looking forward to what you have to say, you little tease.

 

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Palace in the Blood Flag 06 Jan 19 11.40am Send a Private Message to Palace in the Blood Add Palace in the Blood as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

This point in bold I keep reading yet it’s so far from the truth. Please explain how.

Quite simple the HF were told No could not do until free standing or new stand built. HF did not renew season tickets in B ( they may have renewed elsewhere but no one knows). The on line survey which was openly used by supporters of other clubs took place. The Club changed its mind and reversed its decision.

 

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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 06 Jan 19 11.49am Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Palace in the Blood

Quite simple the HF were told No could not do until free standing or new stand built. HF did not renew season tickets in B ( they may have renewed elsewhere but no one knows). The on line survey which was openly used by supporters of other clubs took place. The Club changed its mind and reversed its decision.

Not taken seriously by anyone.

Nothing to do with reputation.

 

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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 06 Jan 19 11.52am

Originally posted by Sparkeagle


Why would loyal fans be on a waiting list? As has been stated a million times, the club has relocated fans pretty much constantly for years for a number of reasons, to call it a strike is interesting, they didn’t steal the atmosphere at Selhurst they were the atmosphere at selhurst, it’s like me being mad at you that you decided to stop buying burgers as it means the club lost £ and we can’t get better players, there was 0 stopping the other 20,00 odd people generating an atmosphere when they left, so you could go back to the good old days of the 80s or chanting about Will Young, some people simply seem to have a big chip on their shoulder that in terms of atmosphere there isn’t a better group in the country and they’re a genuine asset to the club for that purpose alone, if that bothers you so much and you’re so passionate about the atmosphere at selhurst start a group or sing at games and try and organise people to help
You, otherwise just let them get on with what they do best, the club can clearly see they’re the one who generate noise and don’t want to lose that, if the HF dont wish to continue in Block B then they’re free to do that, I don’t remember a big song and dance about it in the off season they didn’t renew they simply left quietly as they felt it couldn’t carry on, I’m sure you will tell me why it could but I can only guess neither you or I sat in B and understood, personally if you watch the HF end of season review videos on YouTube you can see a massive difference between 14/15 15/16 and the shambles of last season, it’s not the HF that changed its the fans surrounding them, it’s literally documented if you watch any videos of the Holmesdale, what do people think would have happened if the club would have just refused overall, i can only guess that the HF wouldnt exist anymore, they left and showed everyone the difference they make the club decided that was of a higher value than fans currently in E and that long term it would be far better for the club. Obviously that upsets the people in E but if it’s expanded to D and I’m moved then so be it, I’d rather sit in B myself that have the drab terrible atmospheres from the start of the season, for me regardless of the result it makes it a better day out.

In terms of analogies to prove a point of view:

Imagine you've rented to same house for 20 years, stuck with it and paid your dues through thick and thin. The next door neighbours who've been there half as long decide they want your house because the view is nicer. They even threaten to make themselves homeless if they don't get what they want.

The council chuck you out and move them in offering you a room in a brand new house which might never be built. In the meantime, you can have their house, which wasn't good enough for them...

Think about it. It's the difference between right and wrong, no matter what the HF bring to the party.

 

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bicycle repair man 06 Jan 19 12.44pm Send a Private Message to bicycle repair man Add bicycle repair man as a friend

Originally posted by Goal Machine

BRM, your type should stay away from the Holmesdale, and perhaps Selhurst Park. You’re a negative influence. I bet the Grimsby fans, who were terrific, couldn’t believe that a Premier League team would put up a din like we did in their cup final.

Clear off mate, you’d be better from your armchair. Selhurst is better without you.


"Put up a din"?
You are joking,the Grimsby lot were mocking our "fanatics".
And I'm going to have to disappoint you.
I've hardly missed a match at Selhurst Park since 1968,so my "type" is hardly going to stop attending now just to please your type.
"in their cup final",how condescending is that by the way ?

Edited by bicycle repair man (06 Jan 2019 12.46pm)

 

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Sparkeagle Flag 06 Jan 19 1.20pm Send a Private Message to Sparkeagle Add Sparkeagle as a friend


Originally posted by ChrisGC

In terms of analogies to prove a point of view:

Imagine you've rented to same house for 20 years, stuck with it and paid your dues through thick and thin. The next door neighbours who've been there half as long decide they want your house because the view is nicer. They even threaten to make themselves homeless if they don't get what they want.

The council chuck you out and move them in offering you a room in a brand new house which might never be built. In the meantime, you can have their house, which wasn't good enough for them...

Think about it. It's the difference between right and wrong, no matter what the HF bring to the party.


Ridiculous comparison it’s not a house, it’s a chair in a stadium that you rent and renew every season in order to watch your team play, if the team you watch decide there is a better purpose for your seat them they are allowed to give that seat to whoever they choose, you’ve paid no upkeep or dues you’re simply older and therefore had an advantage against most other fans in purchasing it, if the people in E hadn’t selected the seats another set of fans would have, they wouldn’t have been derelict or unsold, simply because you were older you had an advantage, that has lead to the majority in that area not backing the team vocally, I sit on the aisle in D right next to E so I know this is the case for a fact, and as a consequence the stadium atmosphere which had grown from the HF in B has stagnated, your argument would suggest that we should have kept the whole promotion side in its entirety because they really did earn the right to play in the premier league and never made tough decisions to get newer better players in, in terms of vocally supporting the team nobody can deny that the HF are the best, and if the players and club want to capitalise on that then that’s totally acceptable, there’s going to be 400 designated seats in E for a vocal section in a stadium of roughly 22,500 home fans, the percentage of seats affected is absolutely minuscule and with I believe 18,500 season ticket holders that’s 4,000 available at the end of the season and a whole block vacated for people in large groups who want to be kept together, I’ve also heard the club offered to reduce the away allocation to keep all together, never has so much been asked of the club by so few “supporters” and nothing is good enough. The whole thing is at silly hour and no doubt this thread will
Continue with the same dialect for all of eternity

HF SHOULD MOVE TO ARTHUR WAIT

ITS NOT FAIR PEOPLE ARE LOYAL

HF ARE THE DEVIL

HF ARE GREAT

BLOCK E SHOULD GROW UP


On and on and on, the sooner people in E realise the club are doing what it thinks is best the better

 

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Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 06 Jan 19 2.03pm Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

Originally posted by bicycle repair man


"Put up a din"?
You are joking,the Grimsby lot were mocking our "fanatics".
And I'm going to have to disappoint you.
I've hardly missed a match at Selhurst Park since 1968,so my "type" is hardly going to stop attending now just to please your type.
"in their cup final",how condescending is that by the way ?

Edited by bicycle repair man (06 Jan 2019 12.46pm)

If you’re sitting next to them they’ll obviously drown out the Holmesdale. From where I was standing in block D, I only heard Grimsby fans sing twice. I know they were singing but I couldn’t hear them because we were also singing .Just like they probably couldn’t hear us either.

It is condescending but true. Otherwise they wouldn’t have bought 5,500 fans.

You are a negative influence and a wind up merchant. How about you let everyone else enjoy it and move on? Time to accept it Broken Record Man.

 

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