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Stirlingsays 11 Mar 18 12.03pm
Originally posted by pefwin I would agree. Is this though merely a deescalation than an actual flaw. I think South Korea want to normalise relations back to merely "icey" and feel uncomfortable with Trump's sabre rattling. In bottom line the US will not remove troops as art of a global strategy against China let alone N. Korea, and Kim Jung-un has seen what happened to the likes of Gadaffi when they swore off nukes. Edited by pefwin (11 Mar 2018 9.10am) Trump has played hardball with NK which has led to them coming to this position....either honestly (if history is a guide) or it's far more likely just to be about seeing what they can get. They could offer him a secret apparent two year denuclearisation victory over them and so increase his re-election chances for.....essentially cash and aid. All said implicitly of course. This would play to his ego and it would be interesting. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Mar 18 12.03pm

Originally posted by pefwin

I would agree.

Is this though merely a deescalation than an actual flaw.

I think South Korea want to normalise relations back to merely "icey" and feel uncomfortable with Trump's sabre rattling. In bottom line the US will not remove troops as art of a global strategy against China let alone N. Korea, and Kim Jung-un has seen what happened to the likes of Gadaffi when they swore off nukes.

Edited by pefwin (11 Mar 2018 9.10am)

Trump has played hardball with NK which has led to them coming to this position....either honestly (if history is a guide) or it's far more likely just to be about seeing what they can get.

They could offer him a secret apparent two year denuclearisation victory over them and so increase his re-election chances for.....essentially cash and aid.

All said implicitly of course.

This would play to his ego and it would be interesting.

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Stirlingsays 11 Mar 18 12.06pm
Having said this....I want to refer back to Obama and have my mini rant....because the left so waxed lyrical over him. Obama may have been good at presidental stand up and being 'presidental' in general.....but it has to be said....Obama was useless with NK....as he was with foreign relations in general...complete failure. He did exactly what the left and progressives wanted and had called for....for years in respects to Iraq and de facto allowed the massive expansion of ISIS.....showing you the complete stupidity of the left in general....because he did precisely what they were calling for. Afterwards he claimed it was a Bush policy that he just implemented......which is a lie because we have many clips of him calling for the removal of troops in his election year. Sure, that plonker Bush would have done it....but he was the actual wally who did it.......the left gave him lots of praise for doing it too. All of the major powers ignored him because his actions were easy to calculate. That has changed under Trump. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2018 12.11pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Mar 18 12.06pm

Having said this....I want to refer back to Obama and have my mini rant....because the left so waxed lyrical over him.

Obama may have been good at presidental stand up and being 'presidental' in general.....but it has to be said....Obama was useless with NK....as he was with foreign relations in general...complete failure.

He did exactly what the left and progressives wanted and had called for....for years in respects to Iraq and de facto allowed the massive expansion of ISIS.....showing you the complete stupidity of the left in general....because he did precisely what they were calling for.

Afterwards he claimed it was a Bush policy that he just implemented......which is a lie because we have many clips of him calling for the removal of troops in his election year.

Sure, that plonker Bush would have done it....but he was the actual wally who did it.......the left gave him lots of praise for doing it too.

All of the major powers ignored him because his actions were easy to calculate. That has changed under Trump.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2018 12.11pm)

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 11 Mar 18 2.07pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Having said this....I want to refer back to Obama and have my mini rant....because the left so waxed lyrical over him. Obama may have been good at presidental stand up and being 'presidental' in general.....but it has to be said....Obama was useless with NK....as he was with foreign relations in general...complete failure. He did exactly what the left and progressives wanted and had called for....for years in respects to Iraq and de facto allowed the massive expansion of ISIS.....showing you the complete stupidity of the left in general....because he did precisely what they were calling for. Afterwards he claimed it was a Bush policy that he just implemented......which is a lie because we have many clips of him calling for the removal of troops in his election year. Sure, that plonker Bush would have done it....but he was the actual wally who did it.......the left gave him lots of praise for doing it too. All of the major powers ignored him because his actions were easy to calculate. That has changed under Trump. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2018 12.11pm) US foreign policy has been missed played for decades subsequent to the opportunity of the resolution of the 1st Gulf War. One of the worst was Cheney / Rumsfeld's order to disband the secular Iraqi army after the 2nd pointless war. Obama was a global cluster f*** multipler, ignoring close allies and pursuing an isolationist policy,l no boots on the ground policy, etc. I can't think of a single policy success; perhaps Kenya. Edited by pefwin (11 Mar 2018 2.11pm) Edited by pefwin (11 Mar 2018 2.14pm) "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 11 Mar 18 2.07pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Having said this....I want to refer back to Obama and have my mini rant....because the left so waxed lyrical over him.

Afterwards he claimed it was a Bush policy that he just implemented......which is a lie because we have many clips of him calling for the removal of troops in his election year.

Sure, that plonker Bush would have done it....but he was the actual wally who did it.......the left gave him lots of praise for doing it too.

All of the major powers ignored him because his actions were easy to calculate. That has changed under Trump.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2018 12.11pm)

US foreign policy has been missed played for decades subsequent to the opportunity of the resolution of the 1st Gulf War.

One of the worst was Cheney / Rumsfeld's order to disband the secular Iraqi army after the 2nd pointless war.

Obama was a global cluster f*** multipler, ignoring close allies and pursuing an isolationist policy,l no boots on the ground policy, etc. I can't think of a single policy success; perhaps Kenya.

Edited by pefwin (11 Mar 2018 2.11pm)

Edited by pefwin (11 Mar 2018 2.14pm)

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Stirlingsays 11 Mar 18 2.48pm
Originally posted by pefwin US foreign policy has been missed played for decades subsequent to the opportunity of the resolution of the 1st Gulf War. One of the worst was Cheney / Rumsfeld's order to disband the secular Iraqi army after the 2nd pointless war. Obama was a global cluster f* multipler, ignoring close allies and pursuing an isolationist policy,l no boots on the ground policy, etc. I can't think of a single policy success; perhaps Kenya. Edited by pefwin (11 Mar 2018 2.11pm) Edited by pefwin (11 Mar 2018 2.14pm) I agree with you that's it's been a cluster fcuk regardless of who was on the reigns. My half brother was a commander in one of the Challenger tanks in the first golf war that after....what was basically a rout, was heading towards Baghdad.....which would have led to the overthrow of the regime. A long time ago he told me that General Schwarzkopf came over the radio and he was fuming and swearing liberally as he told them that they had to stand down. He told them that Bush had been told by the gulf states that they would not accept an Hussain overthrow and that they had to stick to the letter of the UN resolution. Schwarzkopf was very pissed off. Does Bush hold ultimate responsibility for allowing the whole s*show to continue and ultimately lead to far higher deaths that necessary? Well, yes.....but not as much as the anti Iranian states.....because essentially that was what the original concern was. But no one saw 911 coming and the resolution of the Bush family to correct the original mistake. Well, Iraq has a brighter future now but a lot of western and other innocent people had to die for it to happen......and it benefits the west in no real degree. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2018 2.54pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Mar 18 2.48pm

Originally posted by pefwin

US foreign policy has been missed played for decades subsequent to the opportunity of the resolution of the 1st Gulf War.

One of the worst was Cheney / Rumsfeld's order to disband the secular Iraqi army after the 2nd pointless war.

Obama was a global cluster f*** multipler, ignoring close allies and pursuing an isolationist policy,l no boots on the ground policy, etc. I can't think of a single policy success; perhaps Kenya.

Edited by pefwin (11 Mar 2018 2.11pm)

Edited by pefwin (11 Mar 2018 2.14pm)

I agree with you that's it's been a cluster fcuk regardless of who was on the reigns.

My half brother was a commander in one of the Challenger tanks in the first golf war that after....what was basically a rout, was heading towards Baghdad.....which would have led to the overthrow of the regime.

A long time ago he told me that General Schwarzkopf came over the radio and he was fuming and swearing liberally as he told them that they had to stand down.

He told them that Bush had been told by the gulf states that they would not accept an Hussain overthrow and that they had to stick to the letter of the UN resolution.

Schwarzkopf was very pissed off.

Does Bush hold ultimate responsibility for allowing the whole s***show to continue and ultimately lead to far higher deaths that necessary?

Well, yes.....but not as much as the anti Iranian states.....because essentially that was what the original concern was.

But no one saw 911 coming and the resolution of the Bush family to correct the original mistake.

Well, Iraq has a brighter future now but a lot of western and other innocent people had to die for it to happen......and it benefits the west in no real degree.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2018 2.54pm)

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 11 Mar 18 3.17pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays But no one saw 911 coming and the resolution of the Bush family to correct the original mistake. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2018 2.54pm) At last we disagree (I feel clean again ), the FBI et al, was too internally focused on the right wing after Waco, the Oklahoma City bombing, etc.. They forgot the 1997 Empire State Building shooting, and the 1993 WTC garage bomb, for 2 domestic international examples. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 11 Mar 18 3.17pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

But no one saw 911 coming and the resolution of the Bush family to correct the original mistake.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Mar 2018 2.54pm)

At last we disagree (I feel clean again ), the FBI et al, was too internally focused on the right wing after Waco, the Oklahoma City bombing, etc..

They forgot the 1997 Empire State Building shooting, and the 1993 WTC garage bomb, for 2 domestic international examples.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Stirlingsays 11 Mar 18 3.37pm
Originally posted by pefwin At last we disagree (I feel clean again ), the FBI et al, was too internally focused on the right wing after Waco, the Oklahoma City bombing, etc.. They forgot the 1997 Empire State Building shooting, and the 1993 WTC garage bomb, for 2 domestic international examples. Mistakes were made with the US home security structures but hindsight always suffers from a perspective problem. Some of the structural issues were addressed afterwards but essentially no security system can guarantee no attacks.....and democratic security systems much less so. Where a problem exists it's a matter of when not if.....the terrorist (bomber) will always gets through as the saying goes. The politicians in this country are cowards and have let this country down for generations. They are more concerned with Tommy Robinson than the b******s on watch lists. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Mar 18 3.37pm

Originally posted by pefwin

At last we disagree (I feel clean again ), the FBI et al, was too internally focused on the right wing after Waco, the Oklahoma City bombing, etc..

They forgot the 1997 Empire State Building shooting, and the 1993 WTC garage bomb, for 2 domestic international examples.

Mistakes were made with the US home security structures but hindsight always suffers from a perspective problem.

Some of the structural issues were addressed afterwards but essentially no security system can guarantee no attacks.....and democratic security systems much less so.

Where a problem exists it's a matter of when not if.....the terrorist (bomber) will always gets through as the saying goes.

The politicians in this country are cowards and have let this country down for generations.

They are more concerned with Tommy Robinson than the b******s on watch lists.

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steeleye20 Croydon 11 Mar 18 3.39pm
Apart from the tweets and ranting Trump seems to be quite sensible. Reluctant to engage in back-firing conflicts as was Obama generally.
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Croydon 11 Mar 18 3.39pm

Apart from the tweets and ranting Trump seems to be quite sensible.

Reluctant to engage in back-firing conflicts as was Obama generally.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 11 Mar 18 4.14pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Apart from the tweets and ranting Trump seems to be quite sensible. Reluctant to engage in back-firing conflicts as was Obama generally. Trump is an isolationist, and will only engage to support immediate US interests. Countries need to engage and support each other and not just military alliances, for example, with Europe. It would be interesting to see if there was a 2nd Falklands War which side he would support. Me thinks it would be even more lacklustre than Ronnie. Edited by pefwin (11 Mar 2018 4.16pm) "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 11 Mar 18 4.14pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Apart from the tweets and ranting Trump seems to be quite sensible.

Reluctant to engage in back-firing conflicts as was Obama generally.

Trump is an isolationist, and will only engage to support immediate US interests.

Countries need to engage and support each other and not just military alliances, for example, with Europe.

It would be interesting to see if there was a 2nd Falklands War which side he would support. Me thinks it would be even more lacklustre than Ronnie.

Edited by pefwin (11 Mar 2018 4.16pm)

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Stirlingsays 11 Mar 18 4.28pm
Originally posted by pefwin Trump is an isolationist, and will only engage to support immediate US interests. Countries need to engage and support each other and not just military alliances, for example, with Europe. It would be interesting to see if there was a 2nd Falklands War which side he would support. Me thinks it would be even more lacklustre than Ronnie. Edited by pefwin (11 Mar 2018 4.16pm) It should be remembered that America itself contains about seventy percent of what it needs. It has the capacity to be much more self sufficient than most other countries. Trump is half Scottish and he moved the Churchill bust back into the Oval office that Obama took out. He also supported Brexit....unlike most of Washington. The idea that he wouldn't support the UK in a conflict just kind of ignores most of what Trump is about. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Mar 18 4.28pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Trump is an isolationist, and will only engage to support immediate US interests.

Countries need to engage and support each other and not just military alliances, for example, with Europe.

It would be interesting to see if there was a 2nd Falklands War which side he would support. Me thinks it would be even more lacklustre than Ronnie.

Edited by pefwin (11 Mar 2018 4.16pm)

It should be remembered that America itself contains about seventy percent of what it needs.

It has the capacity to be much more self sufficient than most other countries.

Trump is half Scottish and he moved the Churchill bust back into the Oval office that Obama took out.

He also supported Brexit....unlike most of Washington.

The idea that he wouldn't support the UK in a conflict just kind of ignores most of what Trump is about.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 11 Mar 18 11.47pm
Originally posted by pefwin It would be interesting to see if there was a 2nd Falklands War which side he would support. Me thinks it would be even more lacklustre than Ronnie. Edited by pefwin (11 Mar 2018 4.16pm) I think Trump would defo back Britain. The Obama administration said it was "neutral" on the issue but said the UK and Argentina should enter talks (Argentina's position), with Obama also referring to the islands as Malvinas. What about the 'special relationship'? Edited by Penge Eagle (11 Mar 2018 11.47pm)
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Beckenham 11 Mar 18 11.47pm

Originally posted by pefwin

It would be interesting to see if there was a 2nd Falklands War which side he would support. Me thinks it would be even more lacklustre than Ronnie.

Edited by pefwin (11 Mar 2018 4.16pm)

I think Trump would defo back Britain. The Obama administration said it was "neutral" on the issue but said the UK and Argentina should enter talks (Argentina's position), with Obama also referring to the islands as Malvinas. What about the 'special relationship'?

Edited by Penge Eagle (11 Mar 2018 11.47pm)

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nairb75 Baltimore 12 Mar 18 3.15am
sorry for joining late. trump is beyond horrible. trump will direct any and all resources to line his pockets. it's just that. lt is not complicated. he's a cheap sales guy. the guy who comes around wanting to fix your windows - that stupid guy. i'm sad. that you guys are even debating any virtue is horrid.
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Baltimore 12 Mar 18 3.15am

sorry for joining late.

trump is beyond horrible. trump will direct any and all resources to line his pockets. it's just that. lt is not complicated. he's a cheap sales guy. the guy who comes around wanting to fix your windows - that stupid guy.

i'm sad. that you guys are even debating any virtue is horrid.

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Stirlingsays 12 Mar 18 7.16am
Originally posted by nairb75 sorry for joining late. trump is beyond horrible. trump will direct any and all resources to line his pockets. it's just that. lt is not complicated. he's a cheap sales guy. the guy who comes around wanting to fix your windows - that stupid guy. i'm sad. that you guys are even debating any virtue is horrid. You pretty much represent the title of this thread. Trump isn't required to be likeable to be president. Your attitude towards blue collar workers doesn't suggest that you're that likeable either. As for intelligence, I think you confuse that with education. As for governmental fraud.....evidence please? As that would be impeachable. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Mar 18 7.16am

Originally posted by nairb75

sorry for joining late.

i'm sad. that you guys are even debating any virtue is horrid.

You pretty much represent the title of this thread.

Trump isn't required to be likeable to be president. Your attitude towards blue collar workers doesn't suggest that you're that likeable either.

As for intelligence, I think you confuse that with education. As for governmental fraud.....evidence please? As that would be impeachable.

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