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 serial thriller  The Promised Land 08 Aug 14 3.32pm |
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Hamas with a golden opportunity to grab an extended ceasefire once again demonstrate that their real interests lie in self justification for conflict rather than representation of Gaza's Palestinians. Israel would be mad to stop the blockage of Gaza with Hamas in power, absolutely bonkers. They had no right to create the blockade in the first place.
If a city state votes in a government that includes a military which has declared war upon you then you.....Are at war with that city state. Blockage is an act of war. Gaza voted for war.....Maybe some of them didn't understand the implications.....But that was the inevitable outcome and that's is what it has. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2014 3.19pm)
Israel could just content themselves with bombing hospitals and schools, violating all sorts of international laws, building settlements in the Fatah-run West Bank and so on. But this pathological fixation which drives them to control even the food that Gazans eat is why I think even America is showing signs of turning its back on them. Edited by serial thriller (08 Aug 2014 3.33pm)
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Quote serial thriller at 08 Aug 2014 3.32pm
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Quote Stirlingsays at 08 Aug 2014 3.04pm
Hamas with a golden opportunity to grab an extended ceasefire once again demonstrate that their real interests lie in self justification for conflict rather than representation of Gaza's Palestinians. Israel would be mad to stop the blockage of Gaza with Hamas in power, absolutely bonkers. They had no right to create the blockade in the first place.
If a city state votes in a government that includes a military which has declared war upon you then you.....Are at war with that city state. Blockage is an act of war. Gaza voted for war.....Maybe some of them didn't understand the implications.....But that was the inevitable outcome and that's is what it has. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2014 3.19pm)
Israel could just content themselves with bombing hospitals and schools, violating all sorts of international laws, building settlements in the Fatah-run West Bank and so on. But this pathological fixation which drives them to control even the food that Gazans eat is why I think even America is showing signs of turning its back on them. Edited by serial thriller (08 Aug 2014 3.33pm)
As for the 'self defence' element of what you say the Israelis only push.......Well, there is a self defence element to how Israel deal with Gaza but actions speak louder than words and obviously Israel are far more pro-active than reactive towards Gaza. Israel is at war with Hamas and Hamas with it and any amount of PR quoting both either side is just so much propaganda. When you refer to civilians caught up in this war I'm always troubled as are, I'd imagine, most of us. However, Hamas use the civilian population and this factor really needs to be considered in any discussion over Israeli action and blame.
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Quote Stirlingsays at 08 Aug 2014 4.09pm
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Quote Stirlingsays at 08 Aug 2014 3.04pm
Hamas with a golden opportunity to grab an extended ceasefire once again demonstrate that their real interests lie in self justification for conflict rather than representation of Gaza's Palestinians. Israel would be mad to stop the blockage of Gaza with Hamas in power, absolutely bonkers. They had no right to create the blockade in the first place.
If a city state votes in a government that includes a military which has declared war upon you then you.....Are at war with that city state. Blockage is an act of war. Gaza voted for war.....Maybe some of them didn't understand the implications.....But that was the inevitable outcome and that's is what it has. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2014 3.19pm)
Israel could just content themselves with bombing hospitals and schools, violating all sorts of international laws, building settlements in the Fatah-run West Bank and so on. But this pathological fixation which drives them to control even the food that Gazans eat is why I think even America is showing signs of turning its back on them. Edited by serial thriller (08 Aug 2014 3.33pm)
As for the 'self defence' element of what you say the Israelis only push.......Well, there is a self defence element to how Israel deal with Gaza but actions speak louder than words and obviously Israel are far more pro-active than reactive towards Gaza. Israel is at war with Hamas and Hamas with it and any amount of PR quoting both either side is just so much propaganda. When you refer to civilians caught up in this war I'm always troubled as are, I'd imagine, most of us. However, Hamas use the civilian population and this factor really needs to be considered in any discussion over Israeli action and blame.
After much consideration i still find that israel's killing of children is unjustified.
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| Palacetinian Surrey Fam 08 Aug 14 4.48pm |
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The reason Hamas won't accept the current ceasefire is that Israel intends to continue the blockade of Gaza so there will be no chance for Gazans to get the material they need to rebuild the massive damage that has been inflicted on them. If anything the nature and size of the Israeli attack and human and physical damage inflicted has hardened attitudes to Israel and shored up support for Hamas just as it was waning. Perhaps this is what Netanyahu wanted all along so he can present himself as a flexible peace maker and Hamas as inflexible and militant? Edited by Palacetinian (08 Aug 2014 4.48pm)
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Quote Palacetinian at 08 Aug 2014 4.48pm
The reason Hamas won't accept the current ceasefire is that Israel intends to continue the blockade of Gaza so there will be no chance for Gazans to get the material they need to rebuild the massive damage that has been inflicted on them. If anything the nature and size of the Israeli attack and human and physical damage inflicted has hardened attitudes to Israel and shored up support for Hamas just as it was waning. Perhaps this is what Netanyahu wanted all along so he can present himself as a flexible peace maker and Hamas as inflexible and militant? Edited by Palacetinian (08 Aug 2014 4.48pm)
If you were Israel would you end the blockade when Hammas has stated that it's intended aim is the destruction of Israel and keeps firing rockets at every opportunity?
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Quote Palacetinian at 08 Aug 2014 4.48pm
The reason Hamas won't accept the current ceasefire is that Israel intends to continue the blockade of Gaza so there will be no chance for Gazans to get the material they need to rebuild the massive damage that has been inflicted on them. If anything the nature and size of the Israeli attack and human and physical damage inflicted has hardened attitudes to Israel and shored up support for Hamas just as it was waning. Perhaps this is what Netanyahu wanted all along so he can present himself as a flexible peace maker and Hamas as inflexible and militant? Edited by Palacetinian (08 Aug 2014 4.48pm) Makes sense.
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The reason Hamas won't accept the current ceasefire is that Israel intends to continue the blockade of Gaza so there will be no chance for Gazans to get the material they need to rebuild the massive damage that has been inflicted on them. If anything the nature and size of the Israeli attack and human and physical damage inflicted has hardened attitudes to Israel and shored up support for Hamas just as it was waning. Perhaps this is what Netanyahu wanted all along so he can present himself as a flexible peace maker and Hamas as inflexible and militant? Edited by Palacetinian (08 Aug 2014 4.48pm)
If you were Israel would you end the blockade when Hammas has stated that it's intended aim is the destruction of Israel and keeps firing rockets at every opportunity? Hamas have said that they want a lifting of the blockade so that Gaza is no longer the worlds biggest prison and that there is freedom of movement. They also said that they would be happy to have international observers and UN peacekeepers as much protect the Palestinians as to reassure the Israelis.
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The reason Hamas won't accept the current ceasefire is that Israel intends to continue the blockade of Gaza so there will be no chance for Gazans to get the material they need to rebuild the massive damage that has been inflicted on them. If anything the nature and size of the Israeli attack and human and physical damage inflicted has hardened attitudes to Israel and shored up support for Hamas just as it was waning. Perhaps this is what Netanyahu wanted all along so he can present himself as a flexible peace maker and Hamas as inflexible and militant? Edited by Palacetinian (08 Aug 2014 4.48pm)
If you were Israel would you end the blockade when Hammas has stated that it's intended aim is the destruction of Israel and keeps firing rockets at every opportunity? Hamas have said that they want a lifting of the blockade so that Gaza is no longer the worlds biggest prison and that there is freedom of movement. They also said that they would be happy to have international observers and UN peacekeepers as much protect the Palestinians as to reassure the Israelis.
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Quote Palacetinian at 08 Aug 2014 4.48pm
The reason Hamas won't accept the current ceasefire is that Israel intends to continue the blockade of Gaza so there will be no chance for Gazans to get the material they need to rebuild the massive damage that has been inflicted on them. If anything the nature and size of the Israeli attack and human and physical damage inflicted has hardened attitudes to Israel and shored up support for Hamas just as it was waning. Perhaps this is what Netanyahu wanted all along so he can present himself as a flexible peace maker and Hamas as inflexible and militant? Edited by Palacetinian (08 Aug 2014 4.48pm)
If you were Israel would you end the blockade when Hammas has stated that it's intended aim is the destruction of Israel and keeps firing rockets at every opportunity? The blockade is stopping medical supplies and building materials getting through to an oppressed people. It's a convenient lie, but weapons getting in has little to do with the reasons for the blockade.
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| Palacetinian Surrey Fam 08 Aug 14 5.45pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 08 Aug 2014 5.03pm
Quote Palacetinian at 08 Aug 2014 4.58pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 08 Aug 2014 4.55pm
Quote Palacetinian at 08 Aug 2014 4.48pm
The reason Hamas won't accept the current ceasefire is that Israel intends to continue the blockade of Gaza so there will be no chance for Gazans to get the material they need to rebuild the massive damage that has been inflicted on them. If anything the nature and size of the Israeli attack and human and physical damage inflicted has hardened attitudes to Israel and shored up support for Hamas just as it was waning. Perhaps this is what Netanyahu wanted all along so he can present himself as a flexible peace maker and Hamas as inflexible and militant? Edited by Palacetinian (08 Aug 2014 4.48pm)
If you were Israel would you end the blockade when Hammas has stated that it's intended aim is the destruction of Israel and keeps firing rockets at every opportunity? Hamas have said that they want a lifting of the blockade so that Gaza is no longer the worlds biggest prison and that there is freedom of movement. They also said that they would be happy to have international observers and UN peacekeepers as much protect the Palestinians as to reassure the Israelis.
Was it really a ceasefire? The Israelis said they had achieved their military objectives and were pulling out their ground forces in any case. It suits them to end the one sided war as they are getting all this bad publicity and their supporters in the West are giving them earache about their disproportionate response to the fireworks that Hamas send over.
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 08 Aug 14 7.28pm |
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I have always wondered if the Zionist apologists would feel the same if the area designated to Jews was the size of Gaza, and the military strength was reversed. I guess they would still feel that the same.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 08 Aug 14 7.53pm |
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US Secretary of State John Kerry said the world needed to wake up to the threat posed by the IS group.(in Iraq and Syria, etc.) Its "campaign of terror against the innocent, including the Yazidi and Christian minorities, and its grotesque targeted acts of violence show all the warning signs of genocide," he said. (BBC 8/8/14)
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