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BlueJay Flag UK 23 Dec 21 12.28am

Originally posted by eaglesdare


I would never tell someone to not get the vax and I would never tell someone to get it! I completely respect everyone's choice!

It's not a 50/50. If someone is old, vulnerable, immuno compromised, pregnant (the list goes on), they're certainly making a bad decision if they don't get vaccinated. Where there is a clear correct answer to something, acting like it's all fun and games and none of it matters isn't a useful message to convey. It's a meaningful and sensible approach for all. Admittedly one more urgent in these circumstances for some than others. It's likely put us in good stead for whatever roll of the dice takes place.

Edited by BlueJay (23 Dec 2021 12.42am)

 

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 23 Dec 21 12.52am Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No it's not. It's common sense. You had the "6 in 1" vaccination as a child, or at least I trust you did. What's the issue now? You might think being "young and healthy" protects you, but you are more likely to get infected when unvaccinated and thus more likely to pass it on. No matter how careful you are, you would be safer yourself and safer for others if vaccinated.

It's just common sense.

Do you suppose that eaglesdare is under 5 years old? Because the '6 in 1' vaccination was only introduced in the UK in 2017.

 


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eaglesdare Flag 23 Dec 21 1.16am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No it's not. It's common sense. You had the "6 in 1" vaccination as a child, or at least I trust you did. What's the issue now? You might think being "young and healthy" protects you, but you are more likely to get infected when unvaccinated and thus more likely to pass it on. No matter how careful you are, you would be safer yourself and safer for others if vaccinated.

It's just common sense.

I have never had a vaccination in my life! My family to be honest are all anti vaxers! And so am I! I don't hide it! I am hardly going to start now anyway in getting a vaccination I do not want nor need! :-)

Or what's this? The anti vaxers and conspiracy theorists have been saying for decade! A chip in your body for a health pass;

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eaglesdare Flag 23 Dec 21 1.19am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

It's not a 50/50. If someone is old, vulnerable, immuno compromised, pregnant (the list goes on), they're certainly making a bad decision if they don't get vaccinated. Where there is a clear correct answer to something, acting like it's all fun and games and none of it matters isn't a useful message to convey. It's a meaningful and sensible approach for all. Admittedly one more urgent in these circumstances for some than others. It's likely put us in good stead for whatever roll of the dice takes place.

Edited by BlueJay (23 Dec 2021 12.42am)

Get it if you want! And get you 10+ booster shots! I however will refrain from an experimental drug that has no known long term side effects.

As for pregnancies! The amount of pregnant women who have been vaccinated have been having a high number of stillborns! May god rest thier poor souls!

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 23 Dec 21 2.06am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

So I 'googled' this and on the first page were these two fact check sites...

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But even at 1 in 3 unvaccinated it proves a point.
Say roughly 20 % of the population are not vaccinated and 80 % are it is still odds against the unvaccinated getting a bed.
If it was the same chance then only 15% or so would be unvaccinated so by my reckoning your chance of getting serious or needing hospital is twice as high.
Maths is strange but doesn't lie!

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 23 Dec 21 2.15am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

In Australia flow tests are available for 10 bucks if you can find them. A PCR test has a wait of sometimes 8 hours in your car. My sons was booked in half an hour on Monday here in gods own country. If you go to hospital in AUS you are tested prior to entry.
There are three ways to look at this;
Either hmg value our health very highly,
Australia don't give a crap about their citizens. ( but lockdowns are very quick and strict).
Covid isn't that serious.

I go with 1 and 2 but fill your boots I guess!

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 23 Dec 21 3.48am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

So you believe that freedom of speech has consequences if people don’t like it then?

That you don’t see the hypocrisy in your own position is ridiculous, but really not surprising.

There is no 'consequence' as that person's speech isn't being stopped or punished.

Your position is ridiculous as blocking is a useful tool that can limit harassment.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Dec 2021 4.38am)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 23 Dec 21 3.51am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Glad of the clarification. Reading your original post would suggest you would like the site to "block" me. If it was only private messages then it would make no difference at all and just be tokenism. I have never sent a private message to you, or anyone else likely to want to hang onto your coat tails.

You don't even appear to understand how blocking works!

The individual blocks you, not the site. It usually means that they don't get to see your direct posts. But everyone who doesn't block you does.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Dec 2021 4.34am)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 23 Dec 21 3.54am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

I am the exact same! I am unvaccinated! Caught covid in November (pretty sure it was omicron) have my natural immunity! I was fine after the 11 days and then back to the gym and back to full fitness now!

I am not a covid denier I believe it is real! I do regular tests! So I don't go out and infect others! I would never tell someone to not get the vax and I would never tell someone to get it! I completely respect everyone's choice!

My sister got covid a year ago and was very sick with it! This year she has it again! And it is completely milder now! I will probably get it once a year and I don't mind at all! I usually get sick once a year anyway and I think it's good as it builds up the immune system to better fight off "new variant" or flu symptoms.

Anyways! Have a lovely Christmas! And try not to get too stressed about all the s***e in the world!

Ditto, enjoy your Christmas Eagle!

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 23 Dec 21 4.17am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Phil’s Barber

It’s not difficult to find Stirling, just Google ‘90% of ICU unvaccinated’ and there are literally pages and pages of mainstream articles about it. It has been one of the main topics this week and again for someone who has more to say on this subject than most, how you have been sidelined by this latest round of information astounds me.

Well I did just that.

Once I did I got a 'fact check' site that said that in late October...back when admissions were higher the real figure was 35 percent.

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Death figures are significantly down from October and that people hospital admissions are basically flat.

From your 'top of the page' link: [Link]

'On the situation in Essex, Mr Carrol told BBC Essex radio: 'It was about 60 per cent [of Covid patients] that had not been vaccinated and about 40 per cent had been vaccinated.''

From the same link, at the Royal London hospital, there were 25 Covid patients in ICU on December 14, and 25 patients on ventilators.

This was barely a change from two weeks ago and as this new variant appears to be milder than Delta, those serious cases don't appear likely to skyrocket.

Looking at the others what I saw was claims made by pro vaccine doctors on the figures. One says 90 percent, another says 60 percent.

The media obviously put the most striking headline to gain the most attention.

Then I saw this:

The NHS and UKHSA do not provide a breakdown of hospital admissions by vaccination status, which means it is not possible to put an exact number on unvaccinated admissions.

What I will say is that the NHS is naturally going to be more busy over the winter months...and that due to the way the government has treated Covid, staff absences are likely to continue to be high.

Predicting covid cases is just that....prediction. You would expect a moderate rise during the coldest house bound months but nothing like the first two waves....However the backlog created is a severe problem, that said that backlog would have been significantly less if they had stuck to their original policy.


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Stirlingsays Flag 23 Dec 21 4.22am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

The Free Speech Champion of The World has a very low threshold when it comes to others’ speech he doesn’t he like.

You shouldn’t have to put up with the persistent personal attacks either. I got a yellow for calling him a ‘man baby’, which him or another free speech champion (*cough* PV *cough*) obviously reported so maybe hit that little report button if that’s what works.

Edited by DanH (22 Dec 2021 8.30pm)

Well, I didn't report you.....unlike how you seem to regard me I don't really have enmity towards you. Regardless, I don't report lightly.

And I do believe in free speech....What I don't believe in is that people should be forced to listen to those they don't wish to.

That is not stopping those people from communicating to those that do.

Just how basic does this get.

The people you support ban people from their sites for their political opinions. Blocking is not banning people. What you appear to support here is harassment.

I've asked someone to stop communicating with me and they have refused. I have not stated that they can't post, which is rightly in the gift of the mods and above.

Blocking solves both issues, but it's just a discussion issue as it doesn't exist here.


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Stirlingsays Flag 23 Dec 21 4.45am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

But even at 1 in 3 unvaccinated it proves a point.
Say roughly 20 % of the population are not vaccinated and 80 % are it is still odds against the unvaccinated getting a bed.
If it was the same chance then only 15% or so would be unvaccinated so by my reckoning your chance of getting serious or needing hospital is twice as high.
Maths is strange but doesn't lie!

Perhaps that's right.

However, statistically that still represents a small personal risk.

Far smaller than...for example, being obese from diet or a high numbers smoker or an alcoholic....who are far more likely to end up in hospital over it.

Yet they don't appear to be obsessing and angering everyone.....perhaps because the media aren't directing that.

 


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