Yuck.

We’re the 6th largest economy in the world. And it’s ok because it’s better than where they come from?

Why don’t we focus on building a country that provides people with decency. Whether they’re British born or from abroad.

Exploiting people to get rich and then saying “well it’s worse where they come from” is a bit like when we sell weaponary that ends up blowing up school buses and we simply say “well, they’d buy it from somewhere else if not”.

Doesn’t make it right.

These types of apathetic & complicit arguments are the precise reason people are done with the world economy in its current form.

exactly, scratch the surface and you eventually arrive at bigotry, hence the Luton comment

It is sad in this day and age, I really thought we left this behind in the 70's and 80's but Brexit seems to have sparked it off again.

We are a regressive nation

and leaving the EU solves that problem...how?

If his IP address is anything to go by he already has

Does he live next to Kermit? (Ex hol poster, now on the BBS with NG)

Because it comes back to the central point in all of this. Accountability.

Whether or not immigration has had a positive impact on our country is a debate in which left and right will never agree. I happen to be on the left of the argument. I don’t agree with the “foreigners out to get us” rhetoric.

But the right aren’t able to sufficiently scrutinise politicians on what they interpret as too much immigration. And the left aren’t able to sufficiently scrutinise policiticians on what they interpret as too much exploitation. Because all they have to say is “yeah but, freedom of movement, init?”

The most relevant thing to question for me is the intention of politicians immigration policy. Our immigration policy, on a large scale, is a means of importing cheap labour in a relentless pursuit to further neoliberalism. f*** the morality of it, it’s making a select few elites filthy rich.

I’ll stress it again, I voted to remain. The romantic in me wanted one last attempt of serious reform. But however much the fanatics wanna dress the EU up as the promised land with the trees of freedom & grass of prosperity, it is a political union that undoubtedly waters down democracy and self-determination. Anyone who cannot see that needs to look at Italy right now and explain precisely what they think is OK about a centralised entity dictating to a member state that they can’t implement a budget their people literally voted for. That is an insult to democratic freedom.

Perhaps if remainers took a more honest approach in their analysis, they may have actually won the referendum to begin with. But the hysterical depicting of the EU as an insituttion that we should never leave under any circumstances alienates decent & honest people stuck in the middle beyond belief. Incredibly, the cheerleaders for a 2nd vote seem to be even more tribal, alienating and frankly disingenuous than they were during the first referendum campaign. And I’d bet a large amount of money on the fact that in a 2nd referendum, remain would lose by a bigger margin.

Edited by Mstrobez (27 Nov 2018 6.31am)