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Mapletree Croydon 26 Nov 18 11.59am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Labels are generalisations, they cover a wide ground. They don't have to be perfect fits. For example, it would be ridiculous to say that every member of the Labour party agree on policies.....their support of the politics that make up the Labour party are generalised. Likewise it would be ridiculous to say that all those who voted for Trump or Hilary are supporters for all they stand for. They make a preference from the options given to them....a 'lesser evil' so to speak. However, when you say....I'm too much of an individual to be categorised then you....in my view....are being too precious. If we can't label something then we can't define it.....Unless someone can seriously argue for themselves as an independent or successfully point out to a reasonable person that the label is incorrect then I struggle to see the problem. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2018 11.42am) The problem is you are just using lazy thinking. Makes it easy to write off individuals, you have read Becker I presume. You are the one always complaining about it too. One rule for one eh?
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Croydon 26 Nov 18 11.59am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Labels are generalisations, they cover a wide ground. They don't have to be perfect fits. For example, it would be ridiculous to say that every member of the Labour party agree on policies.....their support of the politics that make up the Labour party are generalised.

Likewise it would be ridiculous to say that all those who voted for Trump or Hilary are supporters for all they stand for. They make a preference from the options given to them....a 'lesser evil' so to speak.

However, when you say....I'm too much of an individual to be categorised then you....in my view....are being too precious.

If we can't label something then we can't define it.....Unless someone can seriously argue for themselves as an independent or successfully point out to a reasonable person that the label is incorrect then I struggle to see the problem.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2018 11.42am)

The problem is you are just using lazy thinking.

Makes it easy to write off individuals, you have read Becker I presume.

You are the one always complaining about it too. One rule for one eh?

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Lyons550 Shirley 26 Nov 18 12.15pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Why do you wish to define my, or anyone else's, politics? I suggest that attaching a label is lazy. For the avoidance of doubt I have complex political views built up from my own history of experience and education. Often I don't have a view, I reserve judgement. ..bit like a flexitarian you mean? The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 26 Nov 18 12.15pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Why do you wish to define my, or anyone else's, politics? I suggest that attaching a label is lazy.

For the avoidance of doubt I have complex political views built up from my own history of experience and education.

Often I don't have a view, I reserve judgement.

..bit like a flexitarian you mean?

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Stirlingsays 26 Nov 18 12.18pm
Originally posted by Mapletree The problem is you are just using lazy thinking. Makes it easy to write off individuals, you have read Becker I presume. You are the one always complaining about it too. One rule for one eh? Lazy? Perhaps our respective word counts say otherwise. Anyway Mr industry, who have I incorrectly labeled and argue how.....State what opinions that are held which sufficiently proves the label is incorrect. I can argue how calling me far right is incorrect and I have previously stated why that is to those who have typed it......However I can't deny that I have moved further to the right over the last couple of years. I've realised some unpleasant truths. I am not intrinsically against the generalization of labels. But people have the right to argue them. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Nov 18 12.18pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

The problem is you are just using lazy thinking.

Makes it easy to write off individuals, you have read Becker I presume.

You are the one always complaining about it too. One rule for one eh?

Lazy? Perhaps our respective word counts say otherwise. Anyway Mr industry, who have I incorrectly labeled and argue how.....State what opinions that are held which sufficiently proves the label is incorrect.

I can argue how calling me far right is incorrect and I have previously stated why that is to those who have typed it......However I can't deny that I have moved further to the right over the last couple of years. I've realised some unpleasant truths.

I am not intrinsically against the generalization of labels. But people have the right to argue them.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Mapletree Croydon 26 Nov 18 12.31pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Lazy? Perhaps our respective word counts say otherwise. Anyway Mr industry, who have I incorrectly labeled and argue how.....State what opinions that are held which sufficiently proves the label is incorrect. I can argue how calling me far right is incorrect and I have previously stated why that is to those who have typed it......However I can't deny that I have moved further to the right over the last couple of years. I've realised some unpleasant truths. I am not intrinsically against the generalization of labels. But people have the right to argue them. This is getting boring Please don't label me I don't have to argue against you using a specific label, why on Earth do you say I should? I have tried very hard not to call anyone 'far right' or 'racist'. And I do remember you railing against such posts. I don't care whether or not you agree with a specific label, I won't use it. Our respective word counts do not suggest anything about 'thinking', just typing. Edited by Mapletree (26 Nov 2018 12.33pm)
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Croydon 26 Nov 18 12.31pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I am not intrinsically against the generalization of labels. But people have the right to argue them.

This is getting boring

Please don't label me

I don't have to argue against you using a specific label, why on Earth do you say I should?

I have tried very hard not to call anyone 'far right' or 'racist'. And I do remember you railing against such posts. I don't care whether or not you agree with a specific label, I won't use it.

Our respective word counts do not suggest anything about 'thinking', just typing.

Edited by Mapletree (26 Nov 2018 12.33pm)

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Stirlingsays 26 Nov 18 12.36pm
Originally posted by Mapletree This is getting boring Please don't label me I don't have to argue against you using a specific label, why on Earth do you say I should? I have tried very hard not to call anyone 'far right' or 'racist'. And I do remember you railing against such posts. I don't care whether or not you agree with a specific label, I won't use it. Ok, I won't label you......anything else? A type of breakfast cereal you don't want me to eat perhaps? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Nov 18 12.36pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

This is getting boring

Please don't label me

I don't have to argue against you using a specific label, why on Earth do you say I should?

I have tried very hard not to call anyone 'far right' or 'racist'. And I do remember you railing against such posts. I don't care whether or not you agree with a specific label, I won't use it.

Ok, I won't label you......anything else? A type of breakfast cereal you don't want me to eat perhaps?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Nov 18 1.31pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Sorry what has this got to do with what I posted? You're anti immigration, good for you but I feel its an important point to guage from what the opinion is based, whether it be factual evidence or made up tabloid stories I am anti UNCONTROLLED immigration we have no say in but that won’t stop your hysteria because not everyone will roll over and be dictated to. COYP
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Caterham 26 Nov 18 1.31pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Sorry what has this got to do with what I posted?

You're anti immigration, good for you but I feel its an important point to guage from what the opinion is based, whether it be factual evidence or made up tabloid stories

I am anti UNCONTROLLED immigration we have no say in but that won’t stop your hysteria because not everyone will roll over and be dictated to.

COYP

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Pussay Patrol 26 Nov 18 2.19pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I am anti UNCONTROLLED immigration we have no say in but that won’t stop your hysteria because not everyone will roll over and be dictated to. What is uncontrolled? We are part of a union and willingly agreed to policies of which freedom of movement is one. It's not like its only UK has this stipulation, its across the whole of Europe which we also benefit from. Explain how we don't have a say... Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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26 Nov 18 2.19pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I am anti UNCONTROLLED immigration we have no say in but that won’t stop your hysteria because not everyone will roll over and be dictated to.

What is uncontrolled? We are part of a union and willingly agreed to policies of which freedom of movement is one. It's not like its only UK has this stipulation, its across the whole of Europe which we also benefit from. Explain how we don't have a say...

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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DanH SW2 26 Nov 18 2.29pm
Originally posted by Mapletree This is getting boring Please don't label me I don't have to argue against you using a specific label, why on Earth do you say I should? I have tried very hard not to call anyone 'far right' or 'racist'. And I do remember you railing against such posts. I don't care whether or not you agree with a specific label, I won't use it. Our respective word counts do not suggest anything about 'thinking', just typing. Edited by Mapletree (26 Nov 2018 12.33pm) Indeed. I think the phrase 'he who talks the most often has the least to say' usually holds true.
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SW2 26 Nov 18 2.29pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

This is getting boring

Please don't label me

I don't have to argue against you using a specific label, why on Earth do you say I should?

I have tried very hard not to call anyone 'far right' or 'racist'. And I do remember you railing against such posts. I don't care whether or not you agree with a specific label, I won't use it.

Our respective word counts do not suggest anything about 'thinking', just typing.

Edited by Mapletree (26 Nov 2018 12.33pm)

Indeed. I think the phrase 'he who talks the most often has the least to say' usually holds true.

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Stirlingsays 26 Nov 18 2.42pm
Originally posted by DanH Indeed. I think the phrase 'he who talks the most often has the least to say' usually holds true. How 'petty and childish'.....Mmmmm....I wonder who the hypocrite was who originally typed that on here....I wonder. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Nov 18 2.42pm

Originally posted by DanH

Indeed. I think the phrase 'he who talks the most often has the least to say' usually holds true.

How 'petty and childish'.....Mmmmm....I wonder who the hypocrite was who originally typed that on here....I wonder.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 26 Nov 18 2.43pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol What is uncontrolled? We are part of a union and willingly agreed to policies of which freedom of movement is one. It's not like its only UK has this stipulation, its across the whole of Europe which we also benefit from. Explain how we don't have a say... 'We'?....look at your flag. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Nov 18 2.43pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

'We'?....look at your flag.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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steve1984 26 Nov 18 6.09pm
the flag the flag just loook at the flag!
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steve1984 26 Nov 18 6.09pm

the flag the flag just loook at the flag!

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steve1984 26 Nov 18 6.14pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Explain how we don't have a say... We have full control over immigration from outside the EU and yet it's at about 250k pa. About the same number as arrived from the EU. We had a say, we said welcome. (Which is fine by me) Edited by steve1984 (26 Nov 2018 6.24pm)
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steve1984 26 Nov 18 6.14pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Explain how we don't have a say...

We have full control over immigration from outside the EU and yet it's at about 250k pa. About the same number as arrived from the EU. We had a say, we said welcome.

(Which is fine by me)

Edited by steve1984 (26 Nov 2018 6.24pm)

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