Don't move the goalposts now - you said "they (Labour) are not against free movement of migrants from across the channel" - which is clearly untrue.

The Rwanda scheme is not 'ready to go' - it's a childish, illegal, dog-whistle of a policy and I still find it staggering that it's taken remotely seriously as an idea. It will never happen.

I may stand corrected on the Greens, but the suggestion that Starmer will let the hordes flood in to create a beano for his mates in the legal profession is barrel-scraping conspiratorial tosh.

Any party that seeks to reduce state pensions, effects clear reductions in funding to the NHS, seeks a return to the EU, or demonstrates a laissez faire attitude to immigration will not be in power for long.

Starmer may be many things but he ain't dumb.

Is this really all the Tories have left to offer?

Dire situation when even the blinkered fanatics have run out of ideas.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

In all fairness I think people were just desperate to see it stop. The Tories realized it was a good central pledge to be judged on... but then further realized that the French won't take them back and there wasn't nearly enough cash in the kitty to provide an effective policy. So....

They dreamed up this scheme based on an Australian concept to appeal to their base. It worked down under as the Ozzies had places to turn the boats back to, other than sending them to "containment camps" in PNG or Nauru. We have France.

Not negotiating with the French is madness. Then again, we will be negotiating with the far right anti immigration government you guys love and respect so much. Not a chance in a million that lot will take so much as one migrant back.

The Australians said they will never allow any illegal boat people to permanently settle in Australia. That includes any genuine asylum seekers from e.g. Burma. I am pretty sure the UK would never introduce such an illegal law.

There is some kernel of an idea. All boat people are immediately taken from their boat to the airport and Rwanda containment camps. Their applications are processed there. If they are successful, they are returned to the UK for settlement. Otherwise..? I'm actually unsure. Let out the gate and released into downtown Kigali. Given a bus ticket back to Kabul? Humanely disposed of?

What drivel.

It is the only kind of policy that will prevent Europe being over run by unwanted migrants.

You offer no alternative, as usual.

I think the Labour victory will be just as great as the Tory victory at the last election. Parties get periodically thumped. It happens to them all. Big deal. People always then want a change and the other party gets in a few years down the road.

The economy is improving so I don’t buy this Labour narrative that they’ll inherit a total bankrupt mess and won’t be able to do anything for years and years. Sounds like a preemptive excuse to me anticipating their own future failings and mismanagement. Talk about a defeatist attitude. They should be more positive. They have a real chance to do something.

Ironically wasn’t it Labour that left the Tories with a truly bankrupt economy and a note saying “sorry there’s no money left” The Tories managed to turn things round so should Labour from an even stronger baseline.

Edited by XKudu (04 Jul 2024 1.18pm)