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 Badger11  Beckenham 21 Dec 21 10.54am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Yes I’m beginning to turn towards reversing these restrictions and not imposing any others. I said from the start I was willing to wait and see rather than commit to either opinion on whether omicron would hospitalise thousands in England. There are factors that make it uncertain. Differences to SA in age, temperature, weather, and one of the key things imo, obesity. Oh and with our ability to keep people alive longer in old age or through bad health or unlucky health conditions. But it’s going to show more and more that this is over the top, unless everything and everyone else doesn’t matter. Trouble is I’m hearing schools might be closed in January and further restrictions might be coming next week. This is the problem since January 2021 this year. They don’t keep to their word and extend extend extend. The initial reasons I accept. It’s the unnecessary prolonging of it I don’t. [Tweet Link]The big difference to a year ago is that most of us have been vaccinated and the even bigger difference is treatment. The NHS apparently had led the world in how we treat COVID your chances of survival are far greater now that 18 months ago with the lessons they have learned. People can also be treated at home from the last couple of days with these new pills.
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| orpingtoneagle Orpington 21 Dec 21 11.38am |
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From various conversations I have had with friends it seems that despite having to show a proof of jab or negative test there have been examples of Omicron spreading on the terraces. My neighbour went to the Bridge last week and has caught it along with about 8 folks sitting around them and I hear rumour of outbreaks amongst our fans in the AW recently.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Dec 21 11.42am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Just that you’ve mentioned several times that we have to be vaccinated to protect the NHS. Countries where they pay for medical treatment don’t have the same incentive. How you pay for it, via taxation, directly or insurance, doesn't affect your desire to ensure it's there for you when you need it. In my opinion, of course.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Dec 21 11.44am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
The modelling may be a tad overcooked. South Africa have had the omicron variant for at least four weeks. Why are we relying on bad modelling when hard facts are on the table? Case rates are sky high, deaths are extremely low. The WHO publish this data. [Link] It's because those "facts" are not regarded as hard, as there is a general belief that there is a lot of underreporting there.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Dec 21 11.56am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I've been keeping an eye on death rates and the number of people admitted to hospital so far they are fairly flat to slightly up but bear no relation to the huge spike in infections. I think this predictions of 6000 deaths a day are scaremongering. Keep calm and carry on get your booster and wear a mask we shall be fine. Scaremongering by sensationalist newspapers who transfer worst case scenarios into screaming headlines is nothing new. They mustn't be confused with government listening to scientific advice and taking due precautions. Better to be prepared than unprepared. Hindsight is a useless commodity. I agree though about staying calm, getting boosted (and vaccinated by those who haven't so far) and acting sensibly. We are already limiting our contacts and applying social distancing more rigorously. Isolating the unvaccinated, as other countries are doing, is the next step for me. We need to get them on board and those who refuse not allowed to threaten us.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Dec 21 11.59am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
The big difference to a year ago is that most of us have been vaccinated and the even bigger difference is treatment. The NHS apparently had led the world in how we treat COVID your chances of survival are far greater now that 18 months ago with the lessons they have learned. People can also be treated at home from the last couple of days with these new pills. Let's hope so. I am not sure how available the new medication is. I will ask my wife when she wakes from her night shift.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 21 Dec 21 12.27pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Scaremongering by sensationalist newspapers who transfer worst case scenarios into screaming headlines is nothing new. They mustn't be confused with government listening to scientific advice and taking due precautions. Better to be prepared than unprepared. Hindsight is a useless commodity. I agree though about staying calm, getting boosted (and vaccinated by those who haven't so far) and acting sensibly. We are already limiting our contacts and applying social distancing more rigorously. Isolating the unvaccinated, as other countries are doing, is the next step for me. We need to get them on board and those who refuse not allowed to threaten us. Keep an eye on the hospital admissions and death rate they are fairly flat at the moment and should be spiking by now, if they don't go up significantly in the next 2 weeks then it is a highly infectious cold type illness.
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| Stirlingsays 21 Dec 21 12.55pm |
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If the vaccine doesn't protect you from the unvaccinated then it doesn't protect you from the virus. Over time it's highly unlikely that you can stop yourself form catching this virus regardless. You are much more likely to catch it from the vaccinated anyway because that comprises the majority of adults. Some of the most vaccinated countries have the highest case counts. Pointless fear mongering.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Dec 21 1.07pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Keep an eye on the hospital admissions and death rate they are fairly flat at the moment and should be spiking by now, if they don't go up significantly in the next 2 weeks then it is a highly infectious cold type illness. That does appear to be the early indications but still too early to be certain and ease off the brakes. Fingers crossed though.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Dec 21 1.15pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If the vaccine doesn't protect you from the unvaccinated then it doesn't protect you from the virus. Over time it's highly unlikely that you can stop yourself form catching this virus regardless. You are much more likely to catch it from the vaccinated anyway because that comprises the majority of adults. Some of the most vaccinated countries have the highest case counts. Pointless fear mongering.
It's like that worst Halloween film, where people are turned evil by watching laughing pumpkin faces on the TV or some such. So bad none of us can remember it. As Gloria Estefan states, "Omicron's gonna get you".
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Teddy Eagle  21 Dec 21 1.25pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How you pay for it, via taxation, directly or insurance, doesn't affect your desire to ensure it's there for you when you need it. In my opinion, of course. And in my opinion it will be. Without stopping unvaccinated people from living their lives because of a worst case scenario which is ridiculous. Meanwhile the number of people in danger from missed appointments and treatment is ever increasing.
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| The Dolphin 21 Dec 21 1.27pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If the vaccine doesn't protect you from the unvaccinated then it doesn't protect you from the virus. Over time it's highly unlikely that you can stop yourself form catching this virus regardless. You are much more likely to catch it from the vaccinated anyway because that comprises the majority of adults. Some of the most vaccinated countries have the highest case counts. Pointless fear mongering.
Trouble is Stirling, that whilst you may be right the worst cases are amongst the unvaccinated and it is they who are clogging up the NHS.
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