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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Dec 21 10.32am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
We are constantly being told that we have to do everything we can to save the NHS, or help the NHS but no other countries have it - presumably they’re all doing what they can to save something which doesn’t have the emotional pull of the NHS. That other countries don't have the NHS does mean they aren't protecting their own health services in much the same way as we are! There's nothing "emotional" about it. It's simple logic.
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Eaglecoops CR3 20 Dec 21 10.41am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That other countries don't have the NHS does mean they aren't protecting their own health services in much the same way as we are! There's nothing "emotional" about it. It's simple logic. If it’s free, in this country it’s celebrated, if it’s paid for it’s just another business, which is how I view the NHS because we do pay for it, just not directly.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Dec 21 11.04am | |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
Quote for the BBC webpage this morning - Modelling from Sage - scientists who advise the government - puts UK daily deaths at 600 a day at best and 6,000 a day at worst. Edited by The Dolphin (20 Dec 2021 9.40am) They just don't "pluck figures out of the air" or "want to get on TV". Neither is remotely true. You have posted a lot of common sense recently, but I don't think this is. The science is based on sophisticated computer modelling, done by various independent groups. When their results all point in the same direction, and groups in other countries are reaching similar conclusions, then they need to be taken seriously. We need to trust experts and not our "gut instincts". You wouldn't have a family picnic in the middle of the M25 just because there was no traffic to be seen. The experts, looking at their screens, would know it was a temporary hold up and, as soon as it cleared, there would be a surge of vehicles bearing down on you. That some of our scientists have been trained in media skills doesn't mean they want to be on TV, only that they need to be. Most shun the limelight.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Dec 21 11.10am | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
If it’s free, in this country it’s celebrated, if it’s paid for it’s just another business, which is how I view the NHS because we do pay for it, just not directly. Everyone knows we pay for it. It is just a different business model. Compared, for instance, with the USA, it is a much more efficient way of delivering health care. It costs us around half per capita than in the USA. When the motive is profit, finding problems, and extending treatments, is commercially attractive. When the motive is efficiency, the motive is to discover the real issues and treat them as swiftly as possible.
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georgenorman 20 Dec 21 11.17am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Everyone knows we pay for it. It is just a different business model. Compared, for instance, with the USA, it is a much more efficient way of delivering health care. It costs us around half per capita than in the USA. When the motive is profit, finding problems, and extending treatments, is commercially attractive. When the motive is efficiency, the motive is to discover the real issues and treat them as swiftly as possible. State run organisations efficient! You do make me laugh Wisbelch.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Dec 21 11.31am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
They just don't "pluck figures out of the air" or "want to get on TV". Neither is remotely true. You have posted a lot of common sense recently, but I don't think this is. The science is based on sophisticated computer modelling, done by various independent groups. When their results all point in the same direction, and groups in other countries are reaching similar conclusions, then they need to be taken seriously. You wouldn't have a family picnic in the middle of the M25 just because there was no traffic to be seen. The experts, looking at their screens, would know it was a temporary hold up and, as soon as it cleared, there would be a surge of vehicles bearing down on you. That some of our scientists have been trained in media skills doesn't mean they want to be on TV, only that they need to be. Most shun the limelight. Is this a joke? Incredulous rubbish. All of these experts have produced wildly different projections. The best recently is 600-6,000. I can’t even remember what the prediction was for it’s so ridiculously wide (and probably by 1 person/group)
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Badger11 Beckenham 20 Dec 21 11.33am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Everyone knows we pay for it. It is just a different business model. Compared, for instance, with the USA, it is a much more efficient way of delivering health care. It costs us around half per capita than in the USA. When the motive is profit, finding problems, and extending treatments, is commercially attractive. When the motive is efficiency, the motive is to discover the real issues and treat them as swiftly as possible. Or when it's not your money you don't care about efficiency from Senior managers on down. The wastage in the NHS is horrendous.
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eaglesdare 20 Dec 21 11.40am | |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
Quote for the BBC webpage this morning - Modelling from Sage - scientists who advise the government - puts UK daily deaths at 600 a day at best and 6,000 a day at worst. Edited by The Dolphin (20 Dec 2021 9.40am)
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 20 Dec 21 11.43am | |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
This could be Boris's moment to claw back everything that he has lost of late by telling us all to be careful, wear our masks and so on but absolutely no lockdown - trouble is - has he got the b***s to do it? Personally I think this is actually more likely than you think. If he goes further than that he dies, politically. So in fact it would take more balls to enforce a lockdown than what is now option 1, according to the telegraph. Option 2 is back to enforced social distancing and reduced mixing. It's going to be 1 or 2, probably 1. My hunch now is that the real issue is not going to be hospitalisations, it's going to be the knock on of mass isolation across various industries and sectors. So something is coming, albeit temporarily, either way.
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Teddy Eagle 20 Dec 21 12.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That other countries don't have the NHS does mean they aren't protecting their own health services in much the same way as we are! There's nothing "emotional" about it. It's simple logic. It's even simpler logic that people in other countries aren't likely to be that concerned about HMOs that they can't afford.
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The Dolphin 20 Dec 21 12.27pm | |
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Wisbech - if scientific modelling produces a range of between 600 and 6000 deaths per day then something is wrong.
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The Dolphin 20 Dec 21 12.30pm | |
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Someone should seriously list out all of the figures/stats that were spouted last time out - they were all wrong then and likely all wrong now.
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