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Teddy Eagle Flag 19 Dec 21 12.52pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend


Pfizer think COVID could become endemic by 2024.

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Dec 21 1.06pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


Pfizer think COVID could become endemic by 2024.

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Plenty of profit to go then.

 


COYP

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BlueJay Flag UK 19 Dec 21 4.14pm

Regarding lockdown talk I'd think that it's its spreading this fast it's already too late to make a meaningful impact anyway (or that a two week 'circuit breaker' would simply restart a very fast spread once its over, hence negating its point even more than previous lockdowns).

Plenty of people have cancelled xmas parties and meals out and the like. The best balance would likely be now letting these be the decision that people make, rather than forcing businesses to close once again, which looks like it's on the cards.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 19 Dec 21 4.22pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Regarding lockdown talk I'd think that it's its spreading this fast it's already too late to make a meaningful impact anyway (or that a two week 'circuit breaker' would simply restart a very fast spread once its over, hence negating its point even more than previous lockdowns).

Plenty of people have cancelled xmas parties and meals out and the like. The best balance would likely be now letting these be the decision that people make, rather than forcing businesses to close once again, which looks like it's on the cards.

A sensible approach, and unlike last year the majority of vulnerable people are now triple vaccinated. Whatever happens in England expect Scotland to go further but hopefully no more lockdown.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 19 Dec 21 4.33pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

A sensible approach, and unlike last year the majority of vulnerable people are now triple vaccinated. Whatever happens in England expect Scotland to go further but hopefully no more lockdown.

Exactly. Triple vaccinated, lots of natural infections too which no doubt helps to a degree when something new comes along. Sure it seems likely that many can still get infected by Omicron, but there are many factors stacking in our favour in terms of reducing the impact of it and people are now already making their own decisions around xmas and risk, which at this stage feels like a fair balance. If everything defaults to 'lockdown' then to an extent it makes a nonsense of these efforts.


 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Dec 21 5.37pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Just heard about a couple who had COVID around this time last year they have caught it again even after all the jabs. So bye bye Christmas for them.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Dec 21 7.55pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I am more concerned with the massive collection of personal data. Government agencies now have most of the populations mobile phone numbers, their close associates details, their workplace and work colleagues details.
If a Government were so inclined, they can track most people's movements (by mobile phone), know where they live, who their friends and work colleagues are, where they spend their free time and all their NHS records to boot. As well as shopping habits, which football team you support etc, etc.
All nicely linked across Agencies in the "Covid" file. This was the most effective census of the UK population that even the most enthusiastic statistician could ever have dreamed possible.

If anyone in Government ever had bad thoughts, there's a shedload of information out there to make it happen

Then we had better make damn sure we never elect one, and if anyone puts even a toe in that direction, we vote then out again.

There are, of course, huge benefits too in our data being readily available. That your medical history can be obtained instantly by everyone entitled to look, could save your life.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (19 Dec 2021 7.55pm)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Dec 21 8.07pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Regarding lockdown talk I'd think that it's its spreading this fast it's already too late to make a meaningful impact anyway (or that a two week 'circuit breaker' would simply restart a very fast spread once its over, hence negating its point even more than previous lockdowns).

Plenty of people have cancelled xmas parties and meals out and the like. The best balance would likely be now letting these be the decision that people make, rather than forcing businesses to close once again, which looks like it's on the cards.

I would think the hospitality industry would prefer a lockdown, and then government support, than a huge loss of bookings, uncertainty and staff to pay even if sick.

I anticipate the over-riding consideration will be the expected impact on the NHS. If that can be mitigated by a "circuit break" then I guess it will be happening. If it's going to be close to collapse whatever we do, then it won't. All we do then is do our best, personally, not to use it.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 19 Dec 21 9.44pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I would think the hospitality industry would prefer a lockdown, and then government support, than a huge loss of bookings, uncertainty and staff to pay even if sick.

I anticipate the over-riding consideration will be the expected impact on the NHS. If that can be mitigated by a "circuit break" then I guess it will be happening. If it's going to be close to collapse whatever we do, then it won't. All we do then is do our best, personally, not to use it.

The NHS isn’t unique. What mitigation is offered by countries who don’t have it?

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 19 Dec 21 9.47pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Then we had better make damn sure we never elect one, and if anyone puts even a toe in that direction, we vote then out again.

There are, of course, huge benefits too in our data being readily available. That your medical history can be obtained instantly by everyone entitled to look, could save your life.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (19 Dec 2021 7.55pm)

That’s reassuring. Only five years to worry about it.

 

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The Dolphin Flag 19 Dec 21 10.23pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

It is now madness.
There were 50% less people in the whole of England on Dec 12th 2021 in hospital with covid than the same date last year.
This time though tens of millions are vaccinated.
To show it even more - in late Jan this year there 35,000 in hospital with it - as of a few days ago it was 6,500.
And they want to lock us down again!!!

 

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Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 19 Dec 21 10.23pm Send a Private Message to Ouzo Dan Add Ouzo Dan as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I would think the hospitality industry would prefer a lockdown, and then government support, than a huge loss of bookings, uncertainty and staff to pay even if sick.

I anticipate the over-riding consideration will be the expected impact on the NHS. If that can be mitigated by a "circuit break" then I guess it will be happening. If it's going to be close to collapse whatever we do, then it won't. All we do then is do our best, personally, not to use it.

My bed & breakfast has lost £50,000 due to lockdowns caused by covid you know s*** & f*** about what we would prefer.
The British government may offer a derisory amount but the same is not applied elsewhere.

 


The mountains are calling & I must go.

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