It is healthy to have different opinions and debates. A lot of us are critical thinkers and actually research and think for ourselves. we do not just go about doing whatever we are told to do and blindly follow the "experts".

Would you jump up a cliff if an "expert" told you it was safe? or would you look down and decide it is not?

People on the left tend to shut down the debate with a my way or the highway carry on.

Anyways Covid is long over and every day I am glad I made an informed decision about my body that only affects me.

There are a few critical thinkers here, but I think you are deluding yourself if you think you are one of them!

What sort of expert would tell you to jump off a cliff? I don’t listen to experts in stupidity. Perhaps you do. It would explain some of your comments.

Self-righteous people of all political persuasions tend to be dogmatic. There’s enough evidence of that here to persuade everyone.

Covid is, unfortunately, far from over. I know several who have tested positive in recent weeks and the impacts of long Covid are not yet even well understood. What’s true is that the vaccines have mitigated the severity so that hospitalisation has dramatically been reduced.

You fool yourself in thinking you made an “informed” decision because nobody with genuine knowledge would suggest you not be vaccinated. You made a misinformed decision. You fool yourself again in thinking that decision affects only you. By putting yourself at risk of suffering more severely you open the possibility of requiring a hospital bed unnecessarily. That affects everyone.

The pandemic is over, but not Covid, which is what you claimed. I suppose you think they are the same.

Most of us, especially those vaccinated regularly like me, can feel confident we can cope if we suffer another infection. Just taking sensible hygiene precautions is enough now.

I don’t suppose you will ever accept, and probably never understand, why your selfishness impacts others. You say the same daft things repeatedly, without any shame or apparent comprehension.

Of course I have heard of being told to “jump off a cliff”! What’s new is the idea that an expert might say it!

That you seem proud of faking Covid certificates says all anyone needs to know about your integrity and sense of responsibility. Its appalling behaviour made much worse by any sense of shame.

It’s every bit as bad as Johnson’s behaviour over his lies.

I don’t think any response to that is required. It speaks for itself and if I spoke my mind over this attitude I would break several rules.

Another mention of appalling management, which has cost us. Ever wondered what caused the Cost of Living Crisis ?
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"A Covid vaccine contract which was axed by the UK government cost taxpayers £358.6m, new figures show.

French firm Valneva was meant to make more than 100m vaccines at its West Lothian plant, but the deal was controversially scrapped in 2021.

Financial records filed by Valneva show it has received hundreds of millions of pounds in non-refundable payments." (BBC website)

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Jun 2023 11.37am)

We all know it was costly and a lack of preparedness is now being revealed by the enquiry.

What we don't know is what the cost would have been if we took any other kind of route. That is, and can only ever be, a hypothesis. Faced with what we didn't understand, knowing only what we knew and that our preparations weren't adequate it was inevitable that mistakes would occur. Decisions were taken on flimsy evidence in a rush, but they still needed to be taken.

Being wise after the event is the oxygen of bar room debate. Hopefully, the enquiry will dismiss such pointless froth and concentrate on actually trying to learn things from these events.