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Tyrelli London 05 Dec 17 5.15pm
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est1905 05 Dec 17 5.19pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Lombardos barber You're going to need to explain this I'm afraid. Where has it been shown? Where is your evidence to back up we would average gates larger than 34,000? It has been proven over the long term: Stadium of Light, Pride Park, KC stadium, Bristol City. And smaller clubs like The Keepmoat and even Crawley Town's Broadfield stadium this if you build it they will come. All clubs that were in smaller stadiums with crap facilities who are now in bigger stadiums with modern facilities are now playing to bigger crowds than they were before. They may not necessarily be sold out every week (largely due to league position and the division they are in) but like for like they now have bigger crowds. It is a fact
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Originally posted by Lombardos barber

You're going to need to explain this I'm afraid. Where has it been shown?

Where is your evidence to back up we would average gates larger than 34,000?

It has been proven over the long term: Stadium of Light, Pride Park, KC stadium, Bristol City. And smaller clubs like The Keepmoat and even Crawley Town's Broadfield stadium this if you build it they will come. All clubs that were in smaller stadiums with crap facilities who are now in bigger stadiums with modern facilities are now playing to bigger crowds than they were before. They may not necessarily be sold out every week (largely due to league position and the division they are in) but like for like they now have bigger crowds. It is a fact

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est1905 05 Dec 17 5.29pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Lyons550 CPO's will deal with the houses and the strip of car park...the ball is now in Sainburys court These days you cant just nip up the town hall and apply for a CPO. They are very hard to obtain. I would say gaining control of those 7 houses will be the hardest stumbling block of this entire project. All it takes is one or two residents to dig their heels in and fight it in the courts. Could have the club tied up in red tape for years.
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CPO's will deal with the houses and the strip of car park...the ball is now in Sainburys court

These days you cant just nip up the town hall and apply for a CPO.
They are very hard to obtain. I would say gaining control of those 7 houses will be the hardest stumbling block of this entire project. All it takes is one or two residents to dig their heels in and fight it in the courts. Could have the club tied up in red tape for years.

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Midlands Eagle 05 Dec 17 5.35pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by est1905 These days you cant just nip up the town hall and apply for a CPO. They are very hard to obtain. I would say gaining control of those 7 houses will be the hardest stumbling block of this entire project. All it takes is one or two residents to dig their heels in and fight it in the courts. Could have the club tied up in red tape for years. I haven't read the whole thread but surely the club would already have agreement in principle with the seven house owners
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I haven't read the whole thread but surely the club would already have agreement in principle with the seven house owners

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Kermit8 Hevon 05 Dec 17 5.37pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by est1905 It has been proven over the long term: Stadium of Light, Pride Park, KC stadium, Bristol City. And smaller clubs like The Keepmoat and even Crawley Town's Broadfield stadium this if you build it they will come. All clubs that were in smaller stadiums with crap facilities who are now in bigger stadiums with modern facilities are now playing to bigger crowds than they were before. They may not necessarily be sold out every week (largely due to league position and the division they are in) but like for like they now have bigger crowds. It is a fact Love the optimism but we still get 23,000 for a few matches per season in The Prem so very unlikely we could increase that by 50% for those less attractive matches. 34,000 is perfect for an average of around 30,000. Remember our biggest average ever was 29,800 (back in the 70's) and with a ground that held 52,000. Edited by Kermit8 (05 Dec 2017 5.37pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Love the optimism but we still get 23,000 for a few matches per season in The Prem so very unlikely we could increase that by 50% for those less attractive matches.

34,000 is perfect for an average of around 30,000. Remember our biggest average ever was 29,800 (back in the 70's) and with a ground that held 52,000.

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YT Oxford 05 Dec 17 6.03pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by est1905 These days you cant just nip up the town hall and apply for a CPO. They are very hard to obtain. I would say gaining control of those 7 houses will be the hardest stumbling block of this entire project. All it takes is one or two residents to dig their heels in and fight it in the courts. Could have the club tied up in red tape for years. Surely "we" would just throw money at it. I suspect that the hardest of principles will go out of the window if offered (say) twice the market value plus removal expenses. Compared to the overall budget, and as a multiple of the wage bill, surely a drop in the ocean. Edited to say sorry for using "surely" twice - as it's a rather smug word that I generally try to avoid. I just got carried away! Edited by YT (05 Dec 2017 6.05pm) Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Surely "we" would just throw money at it. I suspect that the hardest of principles will go out of the window if offered (say) twice the market value plus removal expenses. Compared to the overall budget, and as a multiple of the wage bill, surely a drop in the ocean.

Edited to say sorry for using "surely" twice - as it's a rather smug word that I generally try to avoid. I just got carried away!

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jeeagles 05 Dec 17 6.16pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave I'm not sure how Sainsbury's can claim they were unaware of this. Stadium redevelopment plans have been around since the 1990's in one guise or another. I get the feeling that at the moment they are the stumbling block and there will be a lot of PR games with them. By making the plans public Parish has put pressure in them to show cooperation. However, I doubt they want to cooperate at all. Behind the PR supermarkets are a cut that businesses whos only intention is to maximise profit. Much better for them if we relocate so they don't have to close their doors on match days. That said, a club in the premiership is probably better news as it means only 19 home league games rather than 23. The club will still need to offer some kind of sweetener to Sainsbury's to get this through planning. With regards to the height of this stand and the Arthur. I'm not sure it will be as big as an issue as it was in the 1990's. With he way housing prices have shot up their are developments of multistorey flats and offices all over the Borough.
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I'm not sure how Sainsbury's can claim they were unaware of this. Stadium redevelopment plans have been around since the 1990's in one guise or another.

I get the feeling that at the moment they are the stumbling block and there will be a lot of PR games with them.

By making the plans public Parish has put pressure in them to show cooperation. However, I doubt they want to cooperate at all.

Behind the PR supermarkets are a cut that businesses whos only intention is to maximise profit. Much better for them if we relocate so they don't have to close their doors on match days.

That said, a club in the premiership is probably better news as it means only 19 home league games rather than 23.

The club will still need to offer some kind of sweetener to Sainsbury's to get this through planning.

With regards to the height of this stand and the Arthur. I'm not sure it will be as big as an issue as it was in the 1990's. With he way housing prices have shot up their are developments of multistorey flats and offices all over the Borough.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 05 Dec 17 6.24pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I haven't read the whole thread but surely the club would already have agreement in principle with the seven house owners I think they're housing association. COYP
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Caterham 05 Dec 17 6.24pm

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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I haven't read the whole thread but surely the club would already have agreement in principle with the seven house owners

I think they're housing association.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 05 Dec 17 6.34pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by jeeagles I'm not sure how Sainsbury's can claim they were unaware of this. Stadium redevelopment plans have been around since the 1990's in one guise or another. I get the feeling that at the moment they are the stumbling block and there will be a lot of PR games with them. By making the plans public Parish has put pressure in them to show cooperation. However, I doubt they want to cooperate at all. Behind the PR supermarkets are a cut that businesses whos only intention is to maximise profit. Much better for them if we relocate so they don't have to close their doors on match days. That said, a club in the premiership is probably better news as it means only 19 home league games rather than 23. The club will still need to offer some kind of sweetener to Sainsbury's to get this through planning. With regards to the height of this stand and the Arthur. I'm not sure it will be as big as an issue as it was in the 1990's. With he way housing prices have shot up their are developments of multistorey flats and offices all over the Borough. They may not have been aware of how deep the stand will be across the whole length of it. Earlier today I thought the curvature would mean its shallower at the glaziers area but it appears it's only marginally shallower there andvits going to eat right into that part of land they own with foundations that go even further back. I don't think the 7 houses, which I think are housing association, or the council, are going to be as frustrating an obstacle as Sainsburys will be. I'll be surprised if this starts in 12 months. Parish said they're intending to ho ahead even if we get relegated in 18/19 do that gives a clue as to how long this could go on for before anything is even agreed all round. COYP
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Caterham 05 Dec 17 6.34pm

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Originally posted by jeeagles

I'm not sure how Sainsbury's can claim they were unaware of this. Stadium redevelopment plans have been around since the 1990's in one guise or another.

I get the feeling that at the moment they are the stumbling block and there will be a lot of PR games with them.

That said, a club in the premiership is probably better news as it means only 19 home league games rather than 23.

The club will still need to offer some kind of sweetener to Sainsbury's to get this through planning.

They may not have been aware of how deep the stand will be across the whole length of it. Earlier today I thought the curvature would mean its shallower at the glaziers area but it appears it's only marginally shallower there andvits going to eat right into that part of land they own with foundations that go even further back.

I don't think the 7 houses, which I think are housing association, or the council, are going to be as frustrating an obstacle as Sainsburys will be. I'll be surprised if this starts in 12 months. Parish said they're intending to ho ahead even if we get relegated in 18/19 do that gives a clue as to how long this could go on for before anything is even agreed all round.

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jeeagles 05 Dec 17 6.47pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Agree with you on the housing association front. Should make it much easier than dealing with home owners as they are professional landlords. CPO's don't work out well for anyone as you get no more than the property is worth plus costs if you are the owner, and they are costly to administration for the buyer. I think they need to be done through the local authority as well. Much better to give them what it's worth and a premium to go willingly.
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05 Dec 17 6.47pm

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Agree with you on the housing association front. Should make it much easier than dealing with home owners as they are professional landlords.

CPO's don't work out well for anyone as you get no more than the property is worth plus costs if you are the owner, and they are costly to administration for the buyer. I think they need to be done through the local authority as well.

Much better to give them what it's worth and a premium to go willingly.

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JohnB 05 Dec 17 7.01pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave From what I've heard I would expect a response pretty rapidly from the council. They have been in planning meetings all day today regarding the Stadium. I would put money on this being built a couple of years before Westfield is..if it ever gets built.
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From what I've heard I would expect a response pretty rapidly from the council. They have been in planning meetings all day today regarding the Stadium.

I would put money on this being built a couple of years before Westfield is..if it ever gets built.

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Aray South London 05 Dec 17 8.22pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave CPOs still happen for this kind of thing. Spurs redevelopment resulted in the forced moves of several long established businesses. Seem to remember some poor sods got firebombed! If the council are backing this we are sorted, IMO.
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South London 05 Dec 17 8.22pm

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CPOs still happen for this kind of thing. Spurs redevelopment resulted in the forced moves of several long established businesses. Seem to remember some poor sods got firebombed!

If the council are backing this we are sorted, IMO.

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