One important thing to hear in mind is that excess deaths and covid deaths in the UK are close. In SA excess deaths have been 2-2.5 times more than covid. Covid deaths could therefore have been under reported in SA. We’ll find out soon enough on their numbers reported in SA.

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This gets frigging annoying. There are a significant number of phds who haven't taken vaccines.

It's not an IQ issue, but more a trust issue.

Young, highly fit individuals might just not see the requirement to take one year developed vaccines (which could have consequences, 5,10 or decades down the line) over the risk of them dying of a virus with an under 1 percent kill rate with an 82 average.....which itself is mainly made up of those with pre-conditions.

Personally I wouldn't recommend that the risk balance makes sense for them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Dec 2021 11.07am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I was flying back to dublin last night for the xmas (Been over with the laptop for months due to wfh and got lots of games in)

Had my recovery cert ready and a PCR (just incase) and an antigen test done from the pharmacy to board the plane. Went up to show them and the stewardness had a melt down and screamed at me "you are not vaccinated you are not vaccinated!" "you cannot fly on this plane!" in front of everyone waiting to board! she kept shouting it at me "you are not vaccinated!" I kept my nerve and politely told her the rules on travel entry requirements to ireland. Ended up having to get her to ring her manager to confirm and let me on.

Anways point is id better get used to this s*** being a second class citizen everywhere I go now. for the vaxxed it will soon be "you dont have your booster shot"

Very soon we will all be in the same boat again "In this together" when the vaccinated and the pro covid passers get fed up with being restrictions even when vaccinated.

Why i came back to ireland for the xmas is beyond me anyway! 96 percent vaccinated adults in the country and 50 percent capacity at hositality and events and they are closing the bars and restaurants next week from 5pm! with 96 percent adults vaxxed!!!!

From next Wednesday over-65s in France who are double-vaxxed but haven’t had the booster will have their COVID pass disabled. This will be extended to all over 18s in January.

I dont understand if you are being serious or not? But can tell you it did happen! why would i lie? I kept telling her recovery cert is valid and had to tell her the date i got covid etc... in front of everyone!

i felt completely humiliated and disgusted at the same time! I am trying not to let it bother me to much and try to have a good christmas. Spent a good few months in london with a bit of normality and i know alot of people dont like croydon but i loved every minute of being back there! in a strange way its home to me!

Please advise us the scientific basis for this statement as, so far as I am aware, there is none. Vaccines are not drugs. Vaccines have been in use, without any significant downsides, for a very long time. These have all been thoroughly trialled and now used extensively all over the world. There is nothing to fear, except fear itself and those promoting fear. Like you.

For someone who is constantly banging on about "fear-mongering", you seem intent on doing it yourself.

It's this kind of comment, circulating on social media and promoted by the unqualified, self-righteous conspiracy theorists you rely on for ""information", which destroys confidence and threatens us all.

To then repeat the completely irrelevant diversion about the "kill rate" when it's not, and never has been, the point of this, is unconscionable.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.