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 Stirlingsays  19 Jun 23 12.45am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Where is the evidence on the critics of Campbell being funded by the vaccine makers? Or did you forget I asked? Edited by Wisbech Eagle (18 Jun 2023 11.17pm) I never related it to Campbell I never looked into that. I was referring to the critics of the GBD that you highlighted where I did. You find it, it's there. I don't work for you.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Jun 23 8.02am |
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The comparison that was being suggested, which I am denying, is between the way video makers are motivated and the way the Pharma industry operates.
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Teddy Eagle  19 Jun 23 8.09am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The comparison that was being suggested, which I am denying, is between the way video makers are motivated and the way the Pharma industry operates. The comparison I'm making is that everyone from video makers to policy makers is after the money.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Jun 23 9.04am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So once again, you make a baseless claim. Just to stick the last nail into this ridiculous contention here is Bhattacharya from four months ago stating his position....which clearly puts a bit fat egg in your face. So easy to check....but did you bother....nope. As for the GBD, If it's true that there are some fake names on this list that is a problem....perhaps its detractors put them on there for people like you to use as a discredit....not knowable. Anyone who puts fake names onto a list is a berk or has malign intent. However, you seeking to deny that the names of the highly qualified medical academics and practitioners that are clearly highlighted in this report are either not genuine, unaware or didn't agree to the declaration is frankly ridiculous.....where is the evidence for this claim?.....Why don't you contact some of them? Just more total nonsense. Par for your course. I never suggested Bhattacharya rebutted the "GBD"! I said he backed away from it. He has, but he remains a convinced opponent of lockdowns. What he has done is accept that the vaccines were developed more quickly than he thought possible and have made a difference. The "GBD" proposed isolating only the most vulnerable. I did not suggest the "GBD" proposed no protection at all. The critics poured scorn on the idea saying it was impractical, untested, and impossible to know who was actually vulnerable as the impact on co-morbidities was not known. We know there were fake names on the list. Good that you accept that. What we don't know is if any of the others, apart from the original 3, are real, because there was no verification. I don't doubt some are and were initially attracted to the idea. I though doubt too many remain convinced, given the level of opposition from the scientific community as a whole. You appear determined to regard these "names" as providing conclusive evidence of the wisdom of the "GBD" whilst placing no value at all on the overwhelming body of scientific opinion which opposes it. Nor do you pay any attention to its sponsors and the motivations of those behind it. From the BMJ:- [Link] From the Lancet:- [Link] Also from the Lancet:- [Link] From the Science Media Centre, with well-argued dismissals:- From Queens University, Ontario, with well-argued dismissals:-
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 19 Jun 23 9.26am |
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Because 'proper' scientists, Like Sir Chris Whitty, never work with an under-lying agenda.
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They ALL have bias. Check who pays their wages.| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Jun 23 10.24am |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Because 'proper' scientists, Like Sir Chris Whitty, never work with an under-lying agenda. The undermining of our Chief Medical Officer and his colleagues in this way is one of the most pernicious effects of the internet age. It extends to trying to destroy our trust in all scientific and expert opinion. Just pause for a moment and consider who might benefit from this? Then how planting ideas on social media platforms via malign "bot farms" might be capable of doing it. If true, those taking up the ideas and spreading them are assisting the destruction of our society from the inside. Conspiracy theory? No. The intelligence community know it's happening. As public servants, we pay the wages of our Chief Medical Officer and his colleagues. Not the government, whose wages we also pay. Their job is to serve us and give clear and obvious advice to the policymakers. They follow the science and leave politics to the politicians. During the pandemic, I thought they did an outstanding job. Communicating calmly and clearly what the issues were and why it was necessary to take the steps being proposed.
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| Teddy Eagle 19 Jun 23 12.26pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The undermining of our Chief Medical Officer and his colleagues in this way is one of the most pernicious effects of the internet age. It extends to trying to destroy our trust in all scientific and expert opinion. Just pause for a moment and consider who might benefit from this? Then how planting ideas on social media platforms via malign "bot farms" might be capable of doing it. If true, those taking up the ideas and spreading them are assisting the destruction of our society from the inside. Conspiracy theory? No. The intelligence community know it's happening. As public servants, we pay the wages of our Chief Medical Officer and his colleagues. Not the government, whose wages we also pay. Their job is to serve us and give clear and obvious advice to the policymakers. They follow the science and leave politics to the politicians. During the pandemic, I thought they did an outstanding job. Communicating calmly and clearly what the issues were and why it was necessary to take the steps being proposed.
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| Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 19 Jun 23 12.39pm |
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or instead of listening to others opinions, garnered with opposing expert 'facts', you could just put your fingers in your ears and go "la la I'm not listening", or unplug your computer and walk away Reward for failure has never been so blatant. Sir Chris Whitty, (soon to be) Sir Boris Johnson and others who were partying during lockdown were similarly honoured. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (19 Jun 2023 12.42pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Jun 23 3.19pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
or instead of listening to others opinions, garnered with opposing expert 'facts', you could just put your fingers in your ears and go "la la I'm not listening", or unplug your computer and walk away Reward for failure has never been so blatant. Sir Chris Whitty, (soon to be) Sir Boris Johnson and others who were partying during lockdown were similarly honoured. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (19 Jun 2023 12.42pm) I am not, and never would, defend Johnson or the others involved in that behaviour. I am defending the integrity of those professionals asked to provide advise on our behalf. Many of those "opinions" you seem to think are equally valuable come from people with motives that have nothing to do with serving us. They are founded on political dogma. I make a distinction.
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| Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 19 Jun 23 4.26pm |
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You come to a board for discussion, and yet you come to the table with an established, unshakable perspective bourne of your own selective 'facts' and refuse to engage or appreciate any other perspective but your own. You are entrenched. And that's fine. But then you pour scorn on anyone who doesn't agree with your line of thought.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Jun 23 5.13pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
You come to a board for discussion, and yet you come to the table with an established, unshakable perspective bourne of your own selective 'facts' and refuse to engage or appreciate any other perspective but your own. You are entrenched. And that's fine. But then you pour scorn on anyone who doesn't agree with your line of thought. Strange that! It's pretty much how I perceive the band of brothers here who all believe that the "authorities" are out to get them, no one in government can be trusted and everyone who disagrees with their rigid POV is a "lefty". Such thinking has always existed and I have encountered it all my life but it is amplified these days by places like this where pockets of the like-minded gather and then feed off one another, in the process convincing themselves they are a major force. They aren't. They are just more able to confirm their biases than in the past. I come here because I have never thought the kind of thinking held by the majority here to be wise and in the best interests of our country.
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| eaglesdare 19 Jun 23 5.31pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Strange that! It's pretty much how I perceive the band of brothers here who all believe that the "authorities" are out to get them, no one in government can be trusted and everyone who disagrees with their rigid POV is a "lefty". Such thinking has always existed and I have encountered it all my life but it is amplified these days by places like this where pockets of the like-minded gather and then feed off one another, in the process convincing themselves they are a major force. They aren't. They are just more able to confirm their biases than in the past. I come here because I have never thought the kind of thinking held by the majority here to be wise and in the best interests of our country. It is healthy to have different opinions and debates. A lot of us are critical thinkers and actually research and think for ourselves. we do not just go about doing whatever we are told to do and blindly follow the "experts". Would you jump up a cliff if an "expert" told you it was safe? or would you look down and decide it is not? People on the left tend to shut down the debate with a my way or the highway carry on. Anyways Covid is long over and every day I am glad I made an informed decision about my body that only affects me.
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