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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 06 Mar 22 11.31am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Great post

According to his profile, W12 is in Russia.

With the Russian national anthem on repeat in the house it’s probably understandable.

 


COYP

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BlueJay Flag UK 06 Mar 22 12.19pm

[Link] - Ukrainian civilian shot in the leg by Russian army.

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Footage circulating this morning shows a corridor for civilians to leave the city of Irpin near Kyiv coming under fire from Russian troops (NSFW).

A family, packing up their life, and pet dog, trying to get to safety on a agreed safety corridor. No such luck.

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Same location after attack:

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These from yesterday. There are tens of videos like these every day, and also of what are clearly shelled and destroyed civilian areas. Posted just in case anyone again attempts to claim otherwise.

Edited by BlueJay (06 Mar 2022 2.10pm)

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 06 Mar 22 12.28pm

Russian police start mass-arrests against peaceful people who have gathered for an anti-war protest in Moscow. -


 

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Grumbles 06 Mar 22 5.36pm Send a Private Message to Grumbles Add Grumbles as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

[Link] - Ukrainian civilian shot in the leg by Russian army.

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Edited by BlueJay (06 Mar 2022 2.10pm)

All fake you know you are being mislead by the biggest orchestrated conspiracy ever.

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 06 Mar 22 5.40pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Grumbles

All fake you know you are being mislead by the biggest orchestrated conspiracy ever.

Same cast they used for 'Green Street' apparently. They've all been taught to act now though.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 06 Mar 22 5.48pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Media campaigns, particularly during conflict, have been prone to leverage.
The UK very nearly lost the Falklands war, but this was largely over-looked by a jingoistic media at the time.
Hillsborough drunken fans cause deaths. An untruth that lasted decades.
Danial Morgan murder.

Politicians have also manipulated language. 'Insurgents', 'collateral damage', 'friendly fire', are part of a continuing development of warfare language.

The thing that has changed in recent conflicts, is the ability of ordinary citizens to circulate images/film/accounts on the internet.

Whilst most accounts can be subject to biased inaccuracies, the volume of the corroborating information would appear to give some validation.


 


I disengage, I turn the page.

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silvertop Flag Portishead 06 Mar 22 6.03pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by W12

Like I said before, you are the hatchling.

You wake up every day like you are entirely new to the world. Most people are like you which is depressing.

(I’m not saying you are bad by the way)

What in his post do you disagree with?

 

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Grumbles 06 Mar 22 6.08pm Send a Private Message to Grumbles Add Grumbles as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Media campaigns, particularly during conflict, have been prone to leverage.
The UK very nearly lost the Falklands war, but this was largely over-looked by a jingoistic media at the time.
Hillsborough drunken fans cause deaths. An untruth that lasted decades.
Danial Morgan murder.

Politicians have also manipulated language. 'Insurgents', 'collateral damage', 'friendly fire', are part of a continuing development of warfare language.

The thing that has changed in recent conflicts, is the ability of ordinary citizens to circulate images/film/accounts on the internet.

Whilst most accounts can be subject to biased inaccuracies, the volume of the corroborating information would appear to give some validation.


If you want cutting edge coverage look to Yorkshire cutting edge journalism for a splash.

[Link]

This constant media criticism is a ploy by Putin apologists to take attention away from what is obviously happening in the Ukraine.

Next they will be posting about Green Alien Lizards in democratic
skins and taking red pills (note the colour if you want a conspiracy).

In the UK, prior to WW2 there were some noisy nationalists but those that they thought was their audience soon realised their error in late '39.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 06 Mar 22 6.08pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Grumbles

All fake you know you are being mislead by the biggest orchestrated conspiracy ever.

So over 1 million Ukrainians have gone on holiday together.
How nice that they are so close.

 

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silvertop Flag Portishead 06 Mar 22 6.21pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Grumbles

If you want cutting edge coverage look to Yorkshire cutting edge journalism for a splash.

[Link]

This constant media criticism is a ploy by Putin apologists to take attention away from what is obviously happening in the Ukraine.

Next they will be posting about Green Alien Lizards in democratic
skins and taking red pills (note the colour if you want a conspiracy).

In the UK, prior to WW2 there were some noisy nationalists but those that they thought was their audience soon realised their error in late '39.

Hang on you don't have to be a Putin apologist to recognise that the media has gone full propaganda partisan.

That said Putin does make it very easy for the western media to take sides.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 06 Mar 22 7.16pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Hang on you don't have to be a Putin apologist to recognise that the media has gone full propaganda partisan.

That said Putin does make it very easy for the western media to take sides.

There is no justification for Putin's actions whatsoever.

 

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 06 Mar 22 7.22pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

You wonder how far this will go.

Putin won't stop of his own accord. He will keep the Russian military going (however long it takes) to secure Ukraine. If it stalls, we may see increasingly destructive weaponry used, perhaps some of it banned from warfare use.

Sanctions will impact Russia, but likewise Russia has a strong hold on world reserves of oil and gas and a big contribution to world arable farming produce.

Citizens all around Europe are going to feel the financial pressure on the cost of living, probably for many years.

NATO will no doubt have formulated plans to deal with most foreseeable scenarios, such as rising inflation, increasing military aid, and ultimately war with Russia.

There's going to be no 'winners' in this one.


On a slightly lighter note, I do feel a tad sorry for Her Maj' this year. Her Jublee year. Brexit and Covid impacts still being felt, Prince Andrew folds in the game of 'Name-a-Nonce', and now conflict in Europe means almost zero chance of a military trooping and public celebrations.
I did buy a Jublee mug, and I think it was made in China. At least they seem to be doing well out of things

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (06 Mar 2022 7.33pm)

 


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