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BlueJay Flag UK 19 May 21 1.03pm

During a time where there was footage of a policeman getting severely beaten to unconsciousness and one getting a fire extinguisher launched at his head and collapsing, and with bombs being planted (which you seemed unperturbed by) and people dying on the day, it's understandable that it was thought that a police officer had died due to something that happened on the day. No doubt some, myself included, made assumptions that down the road when an autopsy took place tuned out to be incorrect.

You're hardly someone who has found their way to a worldview based on a lack of misinformation.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 19 May 21 1.38pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

During a time where there was footage of a policeman getting severely beaten to unconsciousness and one getting a fire extinguisher launched at his head and collapsing, and with bombs being planted (which you seemed unperturbed by) and people dying on the day, it's understandable that it was thought that a police officer had died due to something that happened on the day. No doubt some, myself included, made assumptions that down the road when an autopsy took place tuned out to be incorrect.

You're hardly someone who has found their way to a worldview based on a lack of misinformation.

For the first time you recognise your mistake....fair enough.

Only one person died that day from violence and that was from an officer overreacting in the Capitol building.

As for my worldview, really? I don't know how much you really believe that. We just feel differently about the outcomes.

As for the bombs, I did indeed post about them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 May 2021 1.40pm)

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 19 May 21 1.38pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I never said, 'I know'.....but it seems you claim to.

Interesting.

I had no issues with those posts being deleted: I went too far on something I had no way of proving.

As for misinformation....if it's proven that I'm wrong about something I'll always make amends.

However as we can see with this tragic Policeman's death and certain people's hasty posts on it: You don't track back.

You inferred what he was spending his money on when he was in the Philippines. They were ludicrous and entirely false inferences so yes I'm not surprised that you 'had no issue' with them being deleted. No matter anyones view on these topics, I've never seen anyone be so exploitative of them that they would use them just to get at someone they don't like.

You didn't 'make amends' or apologise for anything. Other people took action of your behalf due to you being unable to control your behaviour. Something of course that is not uncommon.

So as I was saying, yes misinformation. You'd know all about it.

I made a couple of jokes, on the comical number of people giving stick to Wiz. It wasn't an 'in' for you to have a pop, which you've done with every reply since.


Edited by BlueJay (19 May 2021 1.39pm)

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 19 May 21 1.49pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

You inferred what he was spending his money on when he was in the Philippines. They were ludicrous and entirely false inferences so yes I'm not surprised that you 'had no issue' with them being deleted. No matter anyones view on these topics, I've never seen anyone be so exploitative of them that they would use them just to get at someone they don't like.

You didn't 'make amends' or apologise for anything. Other people took action of your behalf due to you being unable to control your behaviour. Something of course that is not uncommon.

So as I was saying, yes misinformation. You'd know all about it.

I made a couple of jokes, on the comical number of people giving stick to Wiz. It wasn't an 'in' for you to have a pop, which you've done with every reply since.


Edited by BlueJay (19 May 2021 1.39pm)

There is proof that what you posted about that Policeman's death was wrong and based upon misinformation.

There is no evidence that anything I've posted about WE is correct or incorrect. I made inferences on his information. So you are comparing apples and oranges.

However what I posted was inappropriate and went too far as I said.

I had a 'pop' at what I regard as your 'holier than thou' attitude by pointing out where you....went too far yourself so to speak.


Edited by Stirlingsays (19 May 2021 1.52pm)

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 19 May 21 1.54pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays



For the first time you recognise your mistake....fair enough.

Only one person died that day from violence and that was from an officer overreacting in the Capitol building.

As for my worldview, really? I don't know how much you really believe that. We just feel differently about the outcomes.

Clearly in life, sometimes people state that they made a mistake, sometimes they don't. In saying that it's 'for the first time', it's again another little prod to get a reaction, with a healthy dollop of lack of self awareness thrown in .

As for your worldview, well okay. I'd say that I personally don't particularly care if peoples beliefs are a little... spicy. But I think you fall at an unfortunate spot where you quite often slag off 'normies' (aka the vast majority of people) for expressing typical views, and yet are aghast when people aren't ever embracing of whatever fringe spot you've drifted off to this week.

Not that it matters. It's self regulating really because people drift in or out on that basis. In any case, have a good day. A couple of little jokes were not supposed to be an 'in', so I'm out.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 19 May 21 2.02pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Clearly in life, sometimes people state that they made a mistake, sometimes they don't. In saying that it's 'for the first time', it's again another little prod to get a reaction, with a healthy dollop of lack of self awareness thrown in .

As for your worldview, well okay. I'd say that I personally don't particularly care if peoples beliefs are a little... spicy. But I think you fall at an unfortunate spot where you quite often slag off 'normies' (aka the vast majority of people) for expressing typical views, and yet are aghast when people aren't ever embracing of whatever fringe spot you've drifted off to this week.

Not that it matters. It's self regulating really because people drift in or out on that basis. In any case, have a good day. A couple of little jokes were not supposed to be an 'in', so I'm out.

It's like a masterclass in vague moaning.

I tip my hat.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 19 May 21 2.09pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays



There is proof that what you posted about that Policeman's death was wrong and based upon misinformation.

There is no evidence that anything I've posted about WE is correct or incorrect. I made inferences on his information. So you are comparing apples and oranges.

However what I posted was inappropriate and went too far as I said.

I had a 'pop' at what I regard as your 'holier than thou' attitude by pointing out where you....went too far yourself so to speak.


Edited by Stirlingsays (19 May 2021 1.52pm)

What a ridiculously juvenile thing to say. Essentially "the posts were deleted so although I actually admit it, you can't prove it now".

And I'm well aware that I'm wrong about the police officer. As already stated.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 19 May 21 2.18pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

What a ridiculously juvenile thing to say. Essentially "the posts were deleted so although I actually admit it, you can't prove it now".

And I'm well aware that I'm wrong about the police officer. As already stated.

? Presumably the mods have the posts on their server.

Besides the logic of what I said makes sense, the difference between the two situations is that what you stated could be provably shown to be false by the autopsy. Whereas what I had said about WE was an opinion that can't be proved or disproved....but was inappropriate for the forum and so was correctly deleted.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 May 2021 2.19pm)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 May 21 2.25pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Both the Mail and Express are owned by globalist interests.

When we talk about globalism we aren't really talking about the left wing....the left run the public institutions certainly but what's important to globalists is that left are mainly their 'useful idiots' and cheer leaders which they won because of the corporate pivots on social issues.....all decided after the Wall Street demonstrations in 2008.

No, globalists are economically neo liberal and fully invested in whatever policies they think keep them in power and control over whatever arises within the political systems.

They don't really care about left or right as long as their control isn't threatened.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 May 2021 12.35pm)

You really have caught this "globalism" infection very badly, haven't you? There is nothing I can say or do to help you overcome this. You need to come to recognise what nonsense it is yourself. Starting by avoiding some of the "information" (aka propaganda) sources you obviously frequent.

That capitalists seek to make money is the way capitalism works. It's up to the people we choose to represent us to ensure that their activities don't conflict with our best interests. That's the way democracy works. We are in control. Not some mythical elite.

It isn't perfect, but it's better than the alternatives. That's just the way it is. So best to stop moaning as it's a waste o time and energy and decide how to make it work well. Which starts with chooing the right representatives.

You are never going to change it

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 May 21 2.54pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Sad isn't it?

But Leprechauns are though. I have seen them myself in Ireland, late at night, usually after a few pints of Guinness.

They're a devil to clean up after, and never have as much gold as you'd think.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 19 May 21 2.56pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You really have caught this "globalism" infection very badly, haven't you? There is nothing I can say or do to help you overcome this. You need to come to recognise what nonsense it is yourself. Starting by avoiding some of the "information" (aka propaganda) sources you obviously frequent.

That capitalists seek to make money is the way capitalism works. It's up to the people we choose to represent us to ensure that their activities don't conflict with our best interests. That's the way democracy works. We are in control. Not some mythical elite.

It isn't perfect, but it's better than the alternatives. That's just the way it is. So best to stop moaning as it's a waste o time and energy and decide how to make it work well. Which starts with chooing the right representatives.

You are never going to change it

This simply isn't true.

Bill Clinton had a mentor called Carroll Quigley who in the sixties wrote a book called 'Tragedy and hope : a history of the world in our time'. Quigley himself was an insider writing on the topic from researched archived files from the Council on Foreign Relations.

Your idea that the super rich don't conspire or have considerable influence is super naïve.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 19 May 21 4.52pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Newspapers always like a good story that helps circulation irrespective of where it comes from. I have a friend, now retired, who was a senior journalist for the Mail and previous to that at the Express. I am sure you would agree neither could be described as left wing papers.

We have been friends for a very long time and when, in 1968, Powell made his "Rivers of Blood" speech the first conspiracy theory I can recall began to circulate. No social media back then, so this was all bar-room chatter. The story was that Powell was involved with some Army Generals and was planning to march to Westminster supported by tanks and take over Parliament. It seems this was widely believed.

I lived near a military base at the time and the pub I used was frequented by personnel from the base. I picked up on some gossip from them which seemed to support the theory and passed it on to my friend. He was all over it in an instant, trying to find something they could publish. No suggestion at all that it would be suppressed in any way.

So I do think that anything really genuine will find a way onto the public square and if it doesn't, it is almost certainly just a fanciful theory being promulgated either as mischief or for more sinister reasons.


Are you really saying that Army personnel were discussing an attempted coup in the local pub!

 

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