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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 05 Sep 18 10.28am |
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Originally posted by djp
For me if I was asked to move so the HF could take a position behind the goal I would do it as they are a tremendous asset to the Club at home and away games. All supporters are one may say but sometimes we all need to make small compromises for the sake of some cause or other. The HF, like the Crystals and the Eagle, when possible (!), are what fans like to see at Selhurst. Long may they all continue When I read several people say shift blocks I admittedly didn’t like it initially but I’d do it and put up with it for a while.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 05 Sep 18 10.44am |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
And if you don’t get your way when you want it, you walk? So tell me, Rudi, in what way is the HF currently acting with the “what you can do for your club not what the club can do for you” philosophy? This is the very problem with this whole saga. It’s 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other. And it’s become something thay directly undermines the original (good natured) intention. That’s the issue I take, the failure in foresight. That’s on the HF. I’m not denying Parish has handled this poorly. But with all the facts presented in front of us, with a statement from either side. The HF have to take at least 50% responsibility for the current s*** show. You can’t have it both ways. I’d say the HF have done a hell of a lot for the good of the club. Often much more than the vast majority of the ground. Sure the club have assisted them but to just throw the accusation that the HF are not doing it for the good of the club is quite unfair. If they didn’t move out of block B Parish and nobody would’ve taken any notice of them whatsoever, but now they have, and a solution is possible. You cannot tell me that starting over again would mean all pre-Prem season ticket holders wouldn’t get a decent seat, starting with the 23 year club, then at some point the pre and then post Dowie Prem ST holders. Really it now boils down to stubbornness and the club don’t want to bother. And I am not really pro HF at all. The flags can do one at 3pm and some of their personal songs can go IMO as can 20 minutes of ‘We’re the boys from SE 25’ but the atmosphere must not go or we’ve made one hell of a feck up. And if anyone’s principles that can be addressed or absorbed with a workable solution play a part in this disappearing then we really will have lost something valuable and can have no complaints being just a nothing special small club you pass on the train. Edited by Rudi Hedman (05 Sep 2018 10.45am)
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| youngpalacefan111 05 Sep 18 10.48am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I’d say the HF have done a hell of a lot for the good of the club. Often much more than the vast majority of the ground. Sure the club have assisted them but to just throw the accusation that the HF are not doing it for the good of the club is quite unfair. If they didn’t move out of block B Parish and nobody would’ve taken any notice of them whatsoever, but now they have, and a solution is possible. You cannot tell me that starting over again would mean all pre-Prem season ticket holders wouldn’t get a decent seat, starting with the 23 year club, then at some point the pre and then post Dowie Prem ST holders. Really it now boils down to stubbornness and the club don’t want to bother. And I am not really pro HF at all. The flags can do one at 3pm and some of their personal songs can go IMO as can 20 minutes of ‘We’re the boys from SE 25’ but the atmosphere must not go or we’ve made one hell of a feck up. And if anyone’s principles that can be addressed or absorbed with a workable solution play a part in this disappearing then we really will have lost something valuable and can have no complaints being just a nothing special small club you pass on the train. Edited by Rudi Hedman (05 Sep 2018 10.45am)
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| Aray South London 05 Sep 18 10.48am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The point it’s making is Parish to work with them to bring them back rather than the p1ss poor blame game club statement. Whatever solution is found, returning to block b for 1 season if needs be which is probably the only solution considering their proposal, do fvck it something compared to absolutely nothing. I sit with mates in the Main stand and believe me without the HF trying to get the oldies around me going is hard work. Parish needs to work with the HF. Whoever is in charge of comms needs shooting. Wasn't his business in marketing?!
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| Beastie 05 Sep 18 10.55am |
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Originally posted by youngpalacefan111
when have we ever not been a nothing special small club? In my lifetime thats all we've been and I still love the club. 100 people jumping up and down singing don't make the club. To outsiders, the atmosphere is/was something that set us apart.
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| youngpalacefan111 05 Sep 18 11.10am |
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Originally posted by Beastie
To outsiders, the atmosphere is/was something that set us apart. And some outsiders thought the "ultras" were daft, with the drum beating and black hoodies. I personally liked what they did for our club but if they have decided to leave so be it I'm siding with the club.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 05 Sep 18 11.16am |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
I’m 23 and opposed to it. And that’s not opposed to the vision, I think the end goal that they want would be f***ing amazing at Selhurst. I’m opposed to the idea that they are able to implement it without consent from the people who’s seats they want. The minute that happens, you are literally telling supporters of all generations that effectively, unless you bang a drum and sing loud, your support is less valued. That can’t be right. It just can’t be, however old you are. They have to get consent, and non influenced/pressurised consent at that. Indeed. On reading the HF statement, it was apparent to me that they used the word 'inclusive', when they clearly want an 'exclusive' area of the stadium. The implementation of 'safe standing' areas should sort this 5hlt out.
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| Beastie 05 Sep 18 11.16am |
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Originally posted by youngpalacefan111
And some outsiders thought the "ultras" were daft, with the drum beating and black hoodies. I personally liked what they did for our club but if they have decided to leave so be it I'm siding with the club. Yeah, why put any thought into it. Edited by Beastie (05 Sep 2018 11.18am)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 05 Sep 18 11.20am |
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Originally posted by youngpalacefan111
You can look forward to the family enclosure next to the tunnel being the noisiest part of the stadium then with 7 year old squeaky voices shouting out Eagles while you and everyone around you politely claps about 5 times a match over the rustling of sweet packets, because that’s what it used to be, before the late ‘80s, and was again when the Holmesdale stand went up, apocrine promotion campaigns, or the HF shaking it up. Sad.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 05 Sep 18 11.29am |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Indeed. On reading the HF statement, it was apparent to me that they used the word 'inclusive', when they clearly want an 'exclusive' area of the stadium. The implementation of 'safe standing' areas should sort this 5hlt out. Unless some silent standers want to have their standing tickets slap bang in the centre. Nobody so far can tell me that the E block and 23 year old club won’t have the pick of the lower tier with this proposal. You can even go as far as pretty much every season ticket holder up to Freedman and Holloway would be happy or at the worst content with this proposal. This is probably the saddest part of this aged stubbornness that’s part of the problem. Resistance to change and for some it’ll be just pure objection to the HF in general. As it’s bern explained on the BBS, a part of the atmosphere struggling to return to all seater stadia is the same generation of people sat in the same seats, content with the status quo. Oh well. We always kill our selves off somehow and this is probably it. It’s just come in a completely different guise this time. It’s just harder to experience with the internet. Before you could just forget it apart from when reminded by rival fans and you think of what could’ve and should’ve been. A few people’s principles over the club will mean little when that time comes, yet could’ve been avoided by selecting a seat from about 5,000 or however many there are. Sad.
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| bicycle repair man 05 Sep 18 11.37am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
What if some in E block still can’t leave that precious seat? Indeed that seat is precious.
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| Palace in the Blood 05 Sep 18 11.50am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
If our atmosphere remains dead then we could test this out if we’re in another one of our April and May relegation battles. That’ll settle it. If we get relegated the HF can have half of block E, the back of block E really won’t be able to see, the main stand mightvget put on hold and we can return to being that middle class club and 13,000 supporters that accepts disappointment but tuts at those noisy twerps who’ve now taken over the front and Parish only cares about cutting the club’s cloth. In the HF position in block B the fact that they stood effected very few people. If they are moved to block E they effect a lot more. This will have quite a few effects. The most serious will be the club will either have to close area or insist on people sitting. I think the licensing authority will act on the increased risk and this will effect planning for new stand at best more stringent conditions at worst it is refused. You can also forget about a safe standing trial being allowed. I think everyone wants a solution to problem that is amicable however the HF by deciding not to renew their allocation have made this difficult if not virtually impossible. The best I can see is the HF getting back the allocation in Block B as some is unsold and the club may be able to satisfy the needs of the new season ticket holders elsewhere in ground. In short the club have very little to gain by allocating block E to standing supporters but much to lose. Personally I would like to see a Safe Standing trial in Block B but this is probably 2 years away. This will be the HF chance to increase the vocal support
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